Hardcore Gamers are the ones who will buy the Console in its first 3/4 years so i dont see any prob.

Looks powerful, wanna see how Snoy reacts to it

DieAppleDie switches from

"The gap between WiiU and Xbox 3 won't be big"
to
"The Xbox 3 will be $500!"

IF Nintendo will launch their console with a profitable price as they always do and come up with a strongly rumored $299 - $349 price tag and MS launches one year later with a $500 price tag. how can the gap not be big?

Broken logic is broken.

spaceguy said: Alby_da_Wolf said: zero129 said: Alby_da_Wolf said: Three people felt the need to answer to YukanaSenix within a hour since he wrote. He is teh insecure one. Yeah, right. I didnt reply to YukanaSenix, i simply answered a question that BenVTrigger asked as to why YukanaSenix would go on such a long rant that has nothing to do with the OP about why they use the 360 as a benchmark instead of the PS3.but hey since you felt the need to reply also   And I never wrote I agree with YukanaSenix!  I'm a PC gamer, if my favourite platform were taken as benchmark of systems horsepower, it would hurt the butts of every console, without exceptions!    This article is about Devkits and leaks of the system/rumors. What does that have to do with ps3 graphics? Thats why I saw other people replying, not because there butt hurt.  Seems that most time's someone comes  in off target and braging about their system, People call out a foul or as known as flamming. People didn't come in here to hear a story about your awesome pc or his super monster awesome ps3. i could care less about either. So yes both of you are in here because you want to talk about your system and flame. So in reality your reason for even being in here is not valid and a indication that your hemroid flare up most have made you come in here in the first place.

As this thread was about XB720 leaked specs and possible performances, discussing the use of XB360 as benchmark for the possible performances of next gen consoles wasn't totally off-topic (it was the part bragging about PS3, but it wasn't suggesting XB360 could be currently maxed out, although this could be true or wrong, but discussable anyway). And while I can't say anything about PS3 graphics as relying not only on GPU but also on SPEs they vary more widely depending on how much dev time can be spent on PS3 specific versions of games, I could maybe brag about gaming PC performances in general, but not on those of my own PC that is quite entry level (except for main RAM and HDD space, for the time when I built it).
Anyhow , I'm not a graphics whore, if next gen performances will start from 3X XB360, I'll be more than happy, I just hope the rumours about main RAM of XB720 and PS4 being at least 4GB are true, as I don't want the non-graphics features of future PC-consoles multiplats be crippled by avaricious RAM equipment of one or more consoles, and about this I'm a little bit worried about the suggested 2GB total RAM of WiiU, even considering in a PC 2GB could be wasted by a bloated OS, currently having 8 or more GB on a PC is quite common, so WiiU compatibility could become an obstacle in multiplats development later during next gen, when devs could start giving up 32bit compatibility that currently makes 2GB in a console, with its streamlined OS and dev tools more optimized thanks to a single HW spec, enough for every game.

The 360 isn't "maxed out" the simple fact is only first part Sony titles get the finacing to push the system. Microsoft see very little need to push their console in that direction. You see them focusing more on social aspects in gaming persistan MP games like Fable 2 and 3 were predicessors to the Dark Souls and Dragon Dogmas that have come after... Microsoft and Sony clearly seem to be on completely different roads and heading into different directions

Not that I agree or disgree with DieAppleDie about how big the gap will be, but the price difference will also be a matter of "extras".

Supposedly, the WiiU will launch without an HDD, and some even say that it will only include the Gamepad (no wiimotes or the Pro controller). If the nextbox has an HDD and comes with Kinnect 2.0, as well as a regular controller, that's a lot extras that will need to be included in the price.

But as I said, rumors are so vague that it's hard to know the power of the nextbox (there's no word about the GPU!) and therefore the gap between it and WiiU (from which we also ignore several important things).

And I don't think Microsoft will be stupid enough to sell it for more than 450 $/€.

I can't quote you at work, sorry.

I think the Wii U controller and Kinect will have the same price tag more or less. And a regular controller is $30, so that won't make a difference.

The lack of HDD could make a difference on a system's performance, so I don't consider that an "extra". Just like additional 4 GB RAM are not an extra, more a part of the system itself.

Anything can happen, but I don't expect Ford to go back in business with Firestone either and they had a 90+ year business relationship before they split up.

Sorry it took me too long to answer, but I'm also at work.

I'm not sure about WiiU's controller and Kinnect costing the same. After all, WiiU's controller could be described as a regular PS3 controller with a 6" screen on it, but the new Kinnect is another thing. Not too long ago Microsoft finally launched Kinnect for PC optimized to be used in close distances, and it was launched for +200$. Overpriced? For sure, but by how much? And the Kinnect thing for the nextbox will be better, at least that's what we all suppose since everybody calls it 2.0.

I agree (just like everyone else) with RAM: it is not an extra, it is a basic feature of the console that have great impact on its performance. But I never mentioned it as being an extra.

But an HDD isn't. There are only 3 uses for it:

1) Store your savegames and other data. WiiU will have 8GB of internal storage, enough for this task. 

2) Store your digital purchases, being games or DLCs. WiiU will allow the use of external HDDs, as well as SD cards. yes, consumers will have to pat tfor those things, but only if they need/want.

and

3) To use it as a pool to store temporary data. Admitedly, this is something that has only bethered PS3 owners because the Blu Ray in the PS3, it is too slow. That's why so many some devs were forced to use the HDD, something that didn't happen with the fast DVD-drive of the Xbox360 (although as of late, some devs recomend an install to improve textures and other things). If WiiU's propietary optical disc is fast enough there'll be no need for an HDD to be used that way.

Bullshit.