I see the same old usual suspects posting in here and the delusion and denial is at its usual levels, sigh. The simple fact is wether some posters like it or not most of the time retailers like to have more Xbox360's in the retail chain than Ps3's and that's been proved time and time again over the years when comparing sold data FROM ALL SOURCES to shipped data. And now with the new super slim Ps3 coming out at the end of August there will be an even lower amount of Ps3's in the retail chain as Sony/retailers will be clearing out the old stock, but despite this i expect to see the usual suspects try and claim that the 360 is under tracked whilst the Ps3 is over tracked, double sigh.

The 360 will have a very good christmas (and i guess MS will do a price as well) but despite this because Sony are releasing a new model AND having a price drop earlier in the year than MS, that will counterbalance any 360 gains. By the end of the year i expect the gap to still be below 2 million.

I see the same old usual suspect in here trying to pass of his delusional idea of a proven fact as an actual proven fact and acusing others of being in denial. double double sigh.

Well Jay, there just isn't any good data on what things might cost. The original PS3 had a 65nm Cell chip and a 90nm RSX graphcis chip, the current model had a 45nm cell and a 65nm RSX and later replaced that with the 40nm RSX. A 32nm cell chip supposedly exists but cost for it is not known and I'm not sure who or when it is being made. If it works out the 32nm chip could be cheaper but it would sure reduce the cost of the rest of the PS3 by shrinking the motherboard, the heat syncs, cooling fans, power supply, and case. The same goes for a 28nm RSX chip but there doesn't seem to be much info on Nvidia making it or making it cost effective. If Sony has been doing the work and making some ground with IBM, Tobisha, and Nvidia maybe a cost effective solution was reached and the 28/32 chip sets are being produce/schedules to be produced in the future. Maybe the redesign isn't coming this year but the next? We did just find a lead from Brazil, we could be expecting it way too early.

Sony did buy that Toshiba plant last year, maybe they are looking to develop the 32nm or even the rumored Cell RSX combo chip that will be 60nm. They just need Nvidia to work with them. Essentially if they can make smaller chips that actually cost less, that with the reduced cost of materials will provide a PS3 that costs around $100 to make, which is speculation but given the size reductions to everything; case, motherboard, chips, heat syncs, power supply, and there is the possibility of it being fanless, it could cost around $100.

At that price the $150 16gb model is possible, but they could sell it at $200 and have the 250gb $250 and the 500gb $300. It depends on what the actual cost to produce ends up and wether they need to maintain PS3 sales. But know that the 16gb model will be no more than $200. Unless it does take till next year to launch then it will probably be the $150/$200/$250 set up.

Anyway, here is a site that has some crazy info on it, though it doesn't seem fully updated to respond to the latest rumors, but they have way more than I can make up on my own.

http://ps3ultraslim.com/news/?p=91

Prove me wrong.

Add about 300k to the 360 total...

Blu ray will be why the ps3 ends up surpassing the 360 easily.. really it's blu ray.. that and.. it's still getting a load of first party ip.. while the 360 gets halo.. forza.. and gears.. again..

Nope.

Sony have a big press conference scheduled for the 14th of August at Gamescom. The last time Sony annouced a new slim PS3 with a price drop was at Gamescom, and when they annouce the details of what they're doing, the price drop normally becomes effective immediately to help clear old stock and then the new model comes out a few weeks later. At worst the new ps3 slim will come out early september.

I assume this was aimed at what I said.

As I predicted vgc is about 300k out on the 360 numbers so the gap is already bigger then what vgc has it at. Traditionaly as I said vgc has a habit of undertracking 360 worldwide numbers. They do ok with the US numbers but not so good with the other numbers. The shipment numbers MS post are always higher then what vgc has it at.

Then when ps3 numbers are released they are normally overtracked by around 100k+. So based off of this trend I would take a rough guess that for the next ps3 shipments vgc will again be over on the ps3 numbers. My rough guess on the gap would be around 2.4m right now. Time will say if im right or not.