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Aielyn said:
As someone who spent a reasonably long stint as a moderator on The Wiire Boards, back before The Wiire died, I have to say that, in my opinion, the real issue is the lack of warning. On the Wiire boards, there was one particular event that caused a major shitstorm, if you'll excuse the term. The event? A staff member (staff had moderation privileges) deciding to ban a person for what was a relatively minor infraction, which resulted in a big back-and-forward between that staff member and the bulk of the community, with quite a few members receiving a ban as a result.

I was working on PhD at that point in time, and I hopped online only to find this massive mess having been created - I ended up spending most of the day cleaning it up. And as I said, it was all because of an overuse of the "banhammer".

If moderators are just stepping in and banning members for comments, then they're not doing their jobs. The moderator's primary job is to actually develop a connection with the community and an understanding of the community, so that they can deftly guide the community. The banhammer should be the last tool in the set, and only used when all other options have been tried. It shouldn't be the primary form of moderation.

If someone tries to troll, the first step should be to defuse the troll's post - either remove the offending comment (if it is appropriate to do so) or find a clever way to dismiss their post as simultaneously inaccurate and poorly constructed. If they try to troll repeatedly, then it's time to give direct warnings. If it continues, use the higher non-ban options (you should be able to set them to "moderated", so that a moderator has to give their posts the OK) for a little while. The banhammer only comes out if they continue. Obviously, if it's a spambot or similar, the banhammer is quite fine in such a situation.

Any other approach will inevitably cause problems. This thread is an example of this. What ends up happening is that people start posting similar trollish comments (the first two replies in the thread are good examples) in solidarity, and start attacking the moderators rather broadly. Others will inevitably come to the defence of the moderator that did it, but that will only make a bigger rift within the community.

I don't think that the moderators are fanboys of any system. I honestly think that they try to remain as neutral as they can. I also think that they're too willing to use the banhammer, and that this results in various members seeing them as anti- or pro-, typically based on where those members tend to spend most of their time. When a member sees a lot of bannings of people who criticise Sony, they quickly come to the conclusion that moderators are Sony fanboys. And I think that this is what has happened in this case.

Any way, that's my two cents... OK, more like 37 dollars, but still.

Indeed, an excessive reliance on banning already creates an undrinkable ambiance, add to that the idea that moderators are not neutral, and this is the revolution!





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I strongly disagree that the mods are Sony biased. Nintendo has always been the favourite of the average Vgchartz moderator, at least that's my observation after damn near five years as an active member.



Euphoria14 said:
Kantor said:
amp316 said:
I remember when this site used to be called a bunch of Nintendo fanboys.

What happened? Maybe the site really has lost it's way.


The difference is that back then, the mods actually WERE massive Nintendo fanboys. Nowadays, we are just fanboys of whichever system is being bashed the most.


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MaxwellGT2000? Sony fans have put up with more than enough BS this gen (as have everyone ) but you know what ? We moved the eff on . Don't like the way a website is operating? Don't give it hits then if you cant change it, no one's forcing you to come here, just like a website community cant be forced to act the way you want them.

Euphoria14 said:
fighter said:
I have been banned on numerous occasions and plainly stated there are no unbiased vg forum boards.


In the case of VGChartz it is obvious the site is not only increasingly suffering from the worst sony fanboyism but has above all lost its purpose (charts lol).

Do what ioi and many others have done, let it die slowly and move along.


PS- The sony community is as doomed as their latest consoles and will become the itinerant plague of the web. Sega fans have so much decency in comparison,


Rather there are no boards without overly sensitive gamers.

Also, you were banned due to what you are doing now, which is once again acting like this is all a one way street and only SONY fans are these horrible, ferocious man beasts who speak ill of all others and have this cult like status across the web.

 

You also must have missed the memo around here because the "3DS is doomed" thread was made by a Nintendo fan and the SONY fans mainly seclude themselves within the Vita Official Thread.

It is almost a one way street actually

Wheter it be proportion or raw numbers the Sony community has been completely plagued with unbeklievably biased statements. I can recall so many Nintendo and Xbox fans who admit mistakes made under their brand withiout complex. The Sony community took years to realize what was obvious in the first year. Every intervention by an official from Sony was a holy word and repeated in a pavlovian pathetic way. Of course there is the infamous xbox fan we all know about and he was a spinner promoter as can be. How many like him on the sony side ? I see none on the nintendo side though. Not from this site anyway. Not at the level of Leo j - Wagram - etc.

 

By the way - how many official statements from either MS or Nintendo have had the level of follow up as Sony s ?

 

Could you imagine a 600 euros Xbox being defended to the teeth the way Sony fans did ? Have you ever seen so many people complaimn about reviews and journalists as Sony fans ? Criticizing developpers for being lazy and threatening websites for nothaving given a high mark to MGS4...

 



Mummelmann said:
I strongly disagree that the mods are Sony biased. Nintendo has always been the favourite of the average Vgchartz moderator, at least that's my observation after damn near five years as an active member.

Agreed, definitely back in the day 98% of the staff was big Nintendo fans, I really didn't notice much Sony fanboys made as mods over time.



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I think we should ban him again for this thread, whaddya say, mods? We can have a Sony love-in after round my house.



amp316 said:
Kantor said:
amp316 said:

What is this Jack that moved over to the 3DS?  I don't know Jack.

 

*Maybe I should submit this joke to Jay Leno or Jimmy Fallon* 

*guitar solo from that band that Jay Leno has for some reason*

He has that band so Kevin Eubanks can fake laugh at jokes like the one that I made.

"It would seem amp316 is not my biggest fan. Have you seen this, have you heard about this? I really don't know why, I've given him AMP-le time to appreciate my humor." /JayLenoImpression



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fighter said:
Euphoria14 said:
fighter said:
I have been banned on numerous occasions and plainly stated there are no unbiased vg forum boards.


In the case of VGChartz it is obvious the site is not only increasingly suffering from the worst sony fanboyism but has above all lost its purpose (charts lol).

Do what ioi and many others have done, let it die slowly and move along.


PS- The sony community is as doomed as their latest consoles and will become the itinerant plague of the web. Sega fans have so much decency in comparison,


Rather there are no boards without overly sensitive gamers.

Also, you were banned due to what you are doing now, which is once again acting like this is all a one way street and only SONY fans are these horrible, ferocious man beasts who speak ill of all others and have this cult like status across the web.

 

You also must have missed the memo around here because the "3DS is doomed" thread was made by a Nintendo fan and the SONY fans mainly seclude themselves within the Vita Official Thread.

It is almost a one way street actually

Wheter it be proportion or raw numbers the Sony community has been completely plagued with unbeklievably biased statements. I can recall so many Nintendo and Xbox fans who admit mistakes made under their brand withiout complex. The Sony community took years to realize what was obvious in the first year. Every intervention by an official from Sony was a holy word and repeated in a pavlovian pathetic way. Of course there is the infamous xbox fan we all know about and he was a spinner promoter as can be. How many like him on the sony side ? I see none on the nintendo side though. Not from this site anyway. Not at the level of Leo j - Wagram - etc.

 

By the way - how many official statements from either MS or Nintendo have had the level of follow up as Sony s ?

 

Could you imagine a 600 euros Xbox being defended to the teeth the way Sony fans did ? Have you ever seen so many people complaimn about reviews and journalists as Sony fans ? Criticizing developpers for being lazy and threatening websites for nothaving given a high mark to MGS4...

 

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drkohler said:
Jumpin said:

For example, I responded in a Nintendo thread that Vita didn't have many games scheduled for this year; and I got banned for Sony bashing/trolling; no warning or anything. This post in particular (which was on page ~340 of a thread in the Nintendo forum) :

"Well, considering there's about 6 or 7 retail games scheduled for the rest of 2012 coming out for the Vita, it might be a long wait. Although, there might be officially nothing to wait for after next year."

 

This isn't bashing of Sony, it is a statement about the volume of titles which are being released for the Vita;

"Well, considering there's about 6 or 7 retail games" -  I see over 30 titles announced in your reference, not 6 or 7.
"there might be officially nothing to wait for after next year." - This is called pure trolling. Neither you or the source has the slightest facts

Banning is/was a hard measure but your post is completely immature, I'd have deleted it because it pure trolling without any facts.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Facts don't determine whether a post is trolling or not.  People are allowed opinions without them being considered trolls.

In context, his/her comment was fine.  If you, reading it, don't like the facts a person uses to base their opinion on you can argue the facts, but again he/she is entitled to their opinion.  But regardless, it is clear from the comment this person is stating an opinion, not fact.

Posting a comment stating an opinion, where that opinion in and of itself does not rise to the level of trolling, does not make it trolling because one disagrees with it.  We are ALL allowed to agree or disagree with a post.  If you don't like someone's opinion, get over it.  The concept of free speech is one in which we all have a right to express ourselves whether or not anyone listening likes what we're saying.     

If we were to use your level of expertise to judge what is or isn't trolling, your own post would be considered trolling because you make the false claim that "...it [is] pure trolling without any facts," when the reality is based on the definition of trolling it isn't pure trolling.  What you are offering as fact is, in fact, an opinion.  Which, according to you rises to the level of troll.

Labeling people or comments as trollish is a double-edge sword in any online community.  Good debate cannot happen without disagreement, and sometimes opinions are inflammatory.  Sometimes opinions rise to the level of hyperbole, but the OPs original comment does not rise to the level of trolling.

As it stands right now, the method for trolling VGChartz goes something like this.  Post your trolling comments to your own blog, post that on N4G, then post it on VGChartz as a news post.  Easy peasy.  That based on the thread posts that are allowed seems to be the way to troll on VGChartz, after all.  The OP on VGChartz isn't saying it, the person who posted it to their blog is.  Whether that happens to be you or not, no one will actually check, but on VGChartz it becomes acceptable no matter how off the scale the commentary is.  Even if you don't personally repost your trolling blog post on VGChartz, the fact that it's on N4G it'll eventually appear on the VGChartz site and then someone else will post it.

After all, for VGChartz every blog poster is a credible source to be permitted regardless of whether their comments violate VGChartz community rules or not.



You know why they defended the 600$ console? Because there was 150 God damn million PS2 users and 70% marketshare that Sony had during the 6th gen. The other 30% was shared between MS and N. I'm not condoning the price tag btw. You wouldn't see tat amount of support for MS as they sold a fifth of what the PS2 did. This gen is different though. All three companies have more than enough crazy fans(boys)