I personally have never seen the Xbox 360 for $130. The cheapest I've seen is $150 during Black Friday. Those tend to disappear quickly. Eitherway, those are a very limited amount. In case you're under the illusion everyone is getting a 360 at that price.

Since when is profitably a point? If 360 prices went down, sales would go up but profits would be down. Therefore its a valid point. Same goes for online play. Gold accounts push people away from the 360, but its still significantly more profitable to charge even if you end up with smaller userbase.

People don't care that PS3 is going to overtake the 360. It was expected before this gen began and its laughable how long its taking. Its just a silly, meaningless victory for Sony and its fans. Ultimately, the 360 was a huge leap forward for the Xbox brand. PS3 on the other hand was a lot of mistakes.

I was joking about the Wii U. If that wasn't obvious, my mistake.

I feel a hardware generation ends when all the major competitors release new hardware because the new hardware becomes the focus. Even though PS2 has the biggest userbase ever (bigger than the HD twins combined), its support dwindled rather quickly.

My post wasn't poor, but your logic and comprehension... lets just avoid the personal attacks.

I think its possible for both to sell 35 Million in 5 Years maybe even more. Even after next gen started I see 6 Million each year picking up a PS3/360 for 99 especially when PS4/720 have no BC.

“Sorry but it's blatantly obvious that the PS3 will overtake the 360's lifetime sales and it was just as obvious last year.”

This is it, this was my entire point. This was the exact statement. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else I said was in support of this.

Me: The 360 has been on the market longer and it has little more to gain from price cuts, new models, peripherals or services.
You: There is still great demand for the 360, yet it has little to gain from price cuts and new models? Are you really under the illusion further price cuts wouldn't stimulate 360 sales? Especially considering it shares most of PS3's library? Nonsense.
Me: Every Boxing Week and New Years sale since December 2010 has seen the 360 on sale for $130 or less. Price really isn't that much of an obstacle to 360 adoption. Also, you misinterpret "little to gain" as "wouldn't stimulate". little =/= nothing. The 360 has little to gain from further price cuts when compared to the PS3 = fact. Price is a bigger obstacle for the PS3 than the 360 = fact. The PS3's entry model is more expensive, therefore a price cut will benefit it to a much larger degree = fact.
You: I personally have never seen the Xbox 360 for $130. The cheapest I've seen is $150 during Black Friday. Those tend to disappear quickly. Eitherway, those are a very limited amount. In case you're under the illusion everyone is getting a 360 at that price.
Me: Wow, you are getting shafted. I live in Canada where everything is more expensive, I thought it was a very safe bet that your 360 sale prices were at least as good if not better. It doesn't change the fact that the 360 is cheaper though and will gain less from continued price cuts.

You: Kinect allowed the 360 to maintain strong sales without relying on massive price cuts. If the 360 S included a price cut, the sales gap would be even bigger. It seems clear to me that MS cares more about profit than having a bigger userbase than PS3.
Me: Since when was profitability a point of this discussion?
You: Since when is profitably a point? If 360 prices went down, sales would go up but profits would be down. Therefore its a valid point. Same goes for online play. Gold accounts push people away from the 360, but its still significantly more profitable to charge even if you end up with smaller userbase.
Me: My entire point is that the PS3 is bound to overtake the 360 in sales. I'm not talking about the profitability of the 360's hardware or Live service. Microsoft's profits are unrelated to the original point I made.

You: PS3 getting the lead over the 360 is not much of an achievment. When was the last time the 360 had a price cut? MS is basically handing the lead to Sony. Yet Sony just can't seem to do it, its embarassing really.
Me: Since when was the importance of the PS3 outselling the 360 a point of this discussion?
You: People don't care that PS3 is going to overtake the 360. It was expected before this gen began and its laughable how long its taking. Its just a silly, meaningless victory for Sony and its fans. Ultimately, the 360 was a huge leap forward for the Xbox brand. PS3 on the other hand was a lot of mistakes.
Me: Again, I absolutely couldn't care less about the Xbox brand or the actual importance of the PS3 outselling the 360. I stated that the PS3 outselling the 360 was an eventuality, nothing else.

Pot: My post wasn't poor, but your logic and comprehension... lets just avoid the personal attacks.
Kettle: Personal attacks, you mean like "you're under the illusion" or your statement here about my logic and comprehension.

Speaking of comprehension. Again, after already repeating myself unnecessarily before. The only purpose of my post was to emphasize the fact that the PS3 is going to outsell the 360, worldwide LTD.

I didn't bring anything up about how important this is. I didn't mention a word about profitability. I never addressed benefits to brands, hypothetical situations or anything else. The only point that I have made is the fact that the PS3 is going to outsell the 360. The only reason why I have provided evidence or made any statements whatsoever was to support this single, direct, articulate point. Why do i have to spell this out for you? Why do I have to break every sub-point down as simple as possible? This shouldn't be necessary Mr. Puggsly. The point of a forum discussion is to read what another poster states and either agree or disagree and support your claim with evidence. Let's start again shall we?

The PS3 is going to eventually outsell the Xbox 360, in terms of LTD, global hardware sales, before the discontinuation of the each system. I feel confident in making this assertion based upon the facts that the gap stands at only 2 million units, the PS3 is currently outselling the 360, the PS3 is more expensive and stands to benefit more greatly from the next round of price cuts.

*This is where you either agree or disagree and support your claim with RELEVANT evidence that refutes my claim.*

Why couldn't you just do this to begin with?

I think it's pretty safe to assume the Wii will make it. It only has ~4M to go. It should have an okay holiday this year, with probably a $99 price point, so should cross 100M mid-late 2013. I see it ending ~102-105.

As for the PS3 and the 360, I think the PS3 has a shot at 100M, while the 360 doesn't. Sony should see a nice boost this holiday from the upcoming Slim launch and accompanying price cut, while MS may see a decent boost from the $99 deal at a few stores. I also expect Sony to continue to supporting the PS3 after the PS4's launch, while I expect MS to switch over all its efforts to the NeXbox much quicker. The PS3 is also more popular world wide, which increases its chances at continuing sales, especially in developing countries.

I don't see a new console for either one in 2013 just because we still have big products coming out next year, too many as a matter of fact. Again, the 360 continues to sell enough to stay ahead. It continually creates a  gap. The only way the PS3 can truly outsell the 360 is through MS discontinuing their console because of the next xbox, even then the 360 itself has just been so much more successful than the original xbox. I don't see MS just putting the 360 away like they did with the original xbox. 

How will the casuals react to a $99 360 with a 2 year monthly fee when the Wii U release? If the Wii U is $99, no chance for that bundle, but I seriously doubt Nintendo will charge as cheap as they did with the original Wii, plus if the 360 sales really do get affected, you know the PS3 sales will take a dip as well, but customers will react to a cheap route to the 360. Especially during the holidays. Then you have limited edition consoles which may not have a great impact, but they manage to sell a bit and boost sales the month that they're out. Fans and collectors will be buying the Halo 4 console and boost 360 sales. 

Wait, you think the Wii U could possibly be $99? It's rumored at $350. The Wii launched at $300. People think the controller itself could be $99.

Wii and PS3 only. 360 relies on 1 market.

When you say that the 360 "continually creates a gap" it's almost as if you're implying that the 360 has been outselling the PS3 on a regular basis. The PS3 has outsold the 360 by 1.2 million units so far this year and Sony really hasn't done anything yet. Again, the PS3 has more to gain from price cuts, Sony has a long history of supporting legacy consoles (unlike Microsoft which discontinued the Xbox despite healthy sales before the 360 launch), Sony also targets developing markets more strongly than Microsoft and they appear to be introducing a new Slim model later this year. About the $99 360 + contract. You do realize that in most markets you're going to have difficulty selling a cell phone with a two year contract, let alone a game system. I think the marginal savings, combined with a multi-year contract may drastically limit the appeal of the system. So to summarize:

• The gap is only 2 million
• The PS3 is currently outselling the 360
• The PS3 will likely receive a new model / price cut this year
• The PS3 stands to gain more from a new model / price cut
• Exclusive games have little impact on hardware sales to begin with, let alone this late in their life-cycles.

Finally, did you just insinuate that the WiiU may launch at $99 because the Wii did? You do realize that the Wii did not debut anywhere near $99 and the WiiU absolutely will not debut at a price even approaching $99? I really hope that was a typo.

If you're referring to the casual and hardcore markets, you're logic is truely lost.

No

wii will win - ps3 and box

105 - 89 - 86