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Which console(s) will reach 100 million?

All three consoles. 45 8.93%
 
Wii and PS3 148 29.37%
 
Wii and X360 18 3.57%
 
PS3 and X360 5 0.99%
 
Wii only 197 39.09%
 
PS3 only 44 8.73%
 
X360 only 10 1.98%
 
See results 37 7.34%
 
Total:504
bouzane on 18 July 2012
slowmo said:
bouzane said:
Kenology said:
logic56 said:
Kenology said:
Wii will be the only console to make. You guys saying the PS3 will make it are being delusional.

really now, how many consoles did the PS2 sell AFTER the PS3 was launched

the PS3 is a gaurentee the new model this late into the generation confirms that

The fallacy that the PS3 will trend the same way the PS2 did after a PS4 launch is just that, a fallacy.  

The PS3 is NOT the PS2  - it never has been and it never will be. 

Y'all have been waiting since 2006 for the PS3 to finally "take off".  It hasn't happened.  The PS3 has already had a slim remodel.  Sony can release another slime model and have yet another price drop all it wants, it won't change the fact that it won't reach 100 million... ever.  What software is even going to push it?  (Don't say Sony titles.)

But if you want to believe it'll happen, go right ahead!


It is worth noting that the PS2 sold 21.6 million units of hardware between the 2009 and 2011 fiscal years. The system's release schedule was pretty barren during this period of time but that absolutley doesn't matter that late in a console's lifespan. Once a system is past gen tech and is retailing for $100 or less it doesn't need new software due to casual gamers, people buying replacement units and of course the developing markets. Also, I see no reason why the PS3 can't break 73 million sales by the end of the year. Considering the fact that it's successor launches, at the earliest, late 2013. I see no reason as to why it could not sell another 10 million units in 2013, especially after the introduction of a new model and a significant price cut. Sony could support the PS3 for several years afterward like they have traditionally done with all of their hardware. Sony will likely apply their past business model and support three systems simultaneously. This would be a wise decision on Sony's part as it would allow them to simultaneously target different segments of the market while recouping some of the losses they suffered from the PS3's disastrous launch. Sorry but I can not understand the mentality that believes it to be impossible for the PS3 to break 100 million unit sales.

There is plenty of reasons posted by the people who do not believe it possible andare backed up with plenty of valid reasons.  If you cannot understand the mentality I suggest you open your mind more to what people are saying.  I personally feel that it's impossible for the PS3 to reach 100 million but by the same token I can understand why people who are pro Sony may let their bias cloud their judgement into seeing a more rosy situation than is actually the case.  Bear in mind I also realise my favouritism toward the 360 may mean I don't see the PS3 situation in it's best light either which I have tried to take into account in my opinion.

People keep making this assumption that the PS3 will decrease in price like the PS2 and maintain sales like the PS2 did.  I'd love to know how this is the case when the main costs involved in manufacturing a PS3 (GPU, CPU, HDD) are all not going to be reduced in price dramatically further at the moment.  The removal of the HDD for flash memory onboard will likely save about $25-50 but that's the last big cost cutting they'll have unless they manage to convince IBM and Nvidia to die shrink the CPU and GPU further.

The one thing we can take from this generation is all other previous generations rules no longer apply.


The PS3 will likely be sitting at between 73 and 74 million units by the end of the year. A new model is likely being introduced at a lower price point this year. The PS4 may not be introduced in 2013. The PS3 will likely coexist with the PS4 in the same fashion as both of its processors. Sony has purchased Gaikai which may possibly be used to stream any amount of software to the PS3. Couple this all with growing developing markets and the current economic recovery. Then you tell me that it's perfectly logical to arrive at the conclusion that it is literally impossible for the PS3 to sell another 25-28 million units between 2013 and its discontinuation? I don't understand this mentality at all. Before you misquote me, I said the PS3's lifetime hardware sales will end somewhere between 90 and 105 million. I never said it was guaranteed to break 100 million but merely a possibility because that's exactly what it is, entirely possible. Also, the whole straw man you made with the statement about pro Sony bias and clouded judgement is kind of cute. You can forget about making such inferences about me because I'm a PC gamer who owns a 360. Don't own (or want) a Vita, haven't owned a PS3 in years and I hate Sony as a whole. It's funny how fanboys are always the first to cry fanboy themselves.



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bouzane on 18 July 2012
Conegamer said:
All of these people talking about the PS3's success:

Remember, last year the Wii was still selling above 100k regularly. Now look where it is. Look at the 360. This generation is coming to an end. When the interest stops, as it has for the Wii and is happening to the 360, sales just drop and drop and drop. The same thing will happen to the PS3 late this year, or early next, and when it does, absolutely nothing can save it.

Last year, it wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the Wii would reach 115-120mil LT. Now some people are doubting it'll hit 100mil. It wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the PS3 would never overtake the 360 this time last year, but now it seems to be a given.

When the PS3 drops below 100k, which it may well do this year, nothing will save it. And with the WiiU out this year, that WILL take some sales away, I see both consoles struggling to reach 90mil and 85mil accordingly.


Sorry but it's blatantly obvious that the PS3 will overtake the 360's lifetime sales and it was just as obvious last year.



Mr Puggsly on 18 July 2012
bouzane said:
Conegamer said:
All of these people talking about the PS3's success:

Remember, last year the Wii was still selling above 100k regularly. Now look where it is. Look at the 360. This generation is coming to an end. When the interest stops, as it has for the Wii and is happening to the 360, sales just drop and drop and drop. The same thing will happen to the PS3 late this year, or early next, and when it does, absolutely nothing can save it.

Last year, it wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the Wii would reach 115-120mil LT. Now some people are doubting it'll hit 100mil. It wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the PS3 would never overtake the 360 this time last year, but now it seems to be a given.

When the PS3 drops below 100k, which it may well do this year, nothing will save it. And with the WiiU out this year, that WILL take some sales away, I see both consoles struggling to reach 90mil and 85mil accordingly.


Sorry but it's blatantly obvious that the PS3 will overtake the 360's lifetime sales and it was just as obvious last year.

I think everyone has been expecting PS3 to take over the 360 for years now. Its actually been kinda fun seeing the gap shrink and grow over and over again.

I guess we can hope PS3 will do it before this gen ends.



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bouzane said:
Conegamer said:
All of these people talking about the PS3's success:

Remember, last year the Wii was still selling above 100k regularly. Now look where it is. Look at the 360. This generation is coming to an end. When the interest stops, as it has for the Wii and is happening to the 360, sales just drop and drop and drop. The same thing will happen to the PS3 late this year, or early next, and when it does, absolutely nothing can save it.

Last year, it wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the Wii would reach 115-120mil LT. Now some people are doubting it'll hit 100mil. It wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the PS3 would never overtake the 360 this time last year, but now it seems to be a given.

When the PS3 drops below 100k, which it may well do this year, nothing will save it. And with the WiiU out this year, that WILL take some sales away, I see both consoles struggling to reach 90mil and 85mil accordingly.


Sorry but it's blatantly obvious that the PS3 will overtake the 360's lifetime sales and it was just as obvious last year.



Weren't sales between the two for the year really, really close? Infact, with the holiday sales, I think the 360 may have sold more, but I'm not sure... It looked very possible alright, but you could disagree without ridicule. Now, you can't.

 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

bouzane on 18 July 2012
Conegamer said:
bouzane said:
Conegamer said:
All of these people talking about the PS3's success:

Remember, last year the Wii was still selling above 100k regularly. Now look where it is. Look at the 360. This generation is coming to an end. When the interest stops, as it has for the Wii and is happening to the 360, sales just drop and drop and drop. The same thing will happen to the PS3 late this year, or early next, and when it does, absolutely nothing can save it.

Last year, it wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the Wii would reach 115-120mil LT. Now some people are doubting it'll hit 100mil. It wouldn't have been unreasonable to say the PS3 would never overtake the 360 this time last year, but now it seems to be a given.

When the PS3 drops below 100k, which it may well do this year, nothing will save it. And with the WiiU out this year, that WILL take some sales away, I see both consoles struggling to reach 90mil and 85mil accordingly.


Sorry but it's blatantly obvious that the PS3 will overtake the 360's lifetime sales and it was just as obvious last year.


Weren't sales between the two for the year really, really close? Infact, with the holiday sales, I think the 360 may have sold more, but I'm not sure... It looked very possible alright, but you could disagree without ridicule. Now, you can't.


You mean the year of the PSN outage and Kinect's first holiday? Did anybody expect either of these things to have long lasting ramifications for sales trends? The 360 has been on the market longer and it has little more to gain from price cuts, new models, peripherals or services. I'm not trying to be condescending (don't care if you take it that way though, you're a random person on the Internet who I don't know, just stating a fact) but it really has been terribly obvious for quite some time that the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 in total hardware sales. The only scenario in which the 360 could possibly outsell the PS3 is if the PS4 hits the market before the Xbox Trinity / Delta and we all know that to be an unlikely scenario.

 

@Mr Puggsly

How do you define the end of a console generation?



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T.Rexington on 18 July 2012

I think a more definitive answer can be had by the end of this year during the holiday season. I think Wii will be the only one to do it because it's near the end of the gen and I can't imagine the 360 or PS3 gaining around 30-50 million sold consoles in 2 years, which is probably what is left.As for the PS3 vs 360 war, I've seen the claims again and again but the fact is that the xbox 360 continues to sell ahead of the PS3 year every single year. With MS ready to unveil a new $99 console strategy, it's gonna be that much tougher for the PS3 to get ahead, especially since MS holds the title for biggest exclusives for the rest of the year.



bouzane on 18 July 2012
T.Rexington said:
I think a more definitive answer can be had by the end of this year during the holiday season. I think Wii will be the only one to do it because it's near the end of the gen and I can't imagine the 360 or PS3 gaining around 30-50 million sold consoles in 2 years, which is probably what is left.As for the PS3 vs 360 war, I've seen the claims again and again but the fact is that the xbox 360 continues to sell ahead of the PS3 year every single year. With MS ready to unveil a new $99 console strategy, it's gonna be that much tougher for the PS3 to get ahead, especially since MS holds the title for biggest exclusives for the rest of the year.


I take a couple of issues with your post Mr. Rexington. Firstly, 2 years remaining in the life-cycles for the PS3 and 360 would only give them until mid-2014. Seeing that we will most likely see their successors introduced in late 2013 I see no reason as to why they are guaranteed to be discontinued that soon. As I have stated previously, Sony never discontinues legacy hardware until the demand for the product completely dries up. Why on earth would Sony discontinue the PS3 a year after the PS2, especially considering the fact that the PS3 is finally a profitable system (in terms of total annual hardware and software sales)? Also, the PS3 has outsold the 360 what, 3 out of the last 4 years? The exception being 2011, the year of the PSN outage and Kinects dominance and even then it was basically a tie). The $99 360 comes with a two year, $360 contract. This probably would have been a very popular product early in the 360 lifespan but we can not guarantee it will be successful this late in the generation. How receptive will a casual gamer be to a system with a 2 year contract when the WiiU launches in a few months and (presumably) the PS4 and Trinity / Delta in 2013? Finally, exclusive games have little effect on the hardware sales of established consoles and I highly doubt many people will be swayed from purchasing a PS3 because of Halo 4 (although it looks like it's shaping up to be fantastic).



Mr Puggsly on 18 July 2012
bouzane said:


The 360 has been on the market longer and it has little more to gain from price cuts, new models, peripherals or services. I'm not trying to be condescending (don't care if you take it that way though, you're a random person on the Internet who I don't know, just stating a fact) but it really has been terribly obvious for quite some time that the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 in total hardware sales. Even the surprise success of the Kinect and PSN outage combined can't stop it from happening. The only scenario in which the 360 could possibly outsell the PS3 is if the PS4 hits the market before the Xbox Trinity / Delta and we all know that to be an unlikely scenario.

 

@Mr Puggsly

How do you define the end of a console generation?

I love your arguments. There is still great demand for the 360, yet it has little to gain from price cuts and new models? Are you really under the illusion further price cuts wouldn't stimulate 360 sales? Especially considering it shares most of PS3's library? Nonsense.

Kinect allowed the 360 to maintain strong sales without relying on massive price cuts. If the 360 S included a price cut, the sales gap would be even bigger. It seems clear to me that MS cares more about profit than having a bigger userbase than PS3.

PS3 getting the lead over the 360 is not much of an achievment. When was the last time the 360 had a price cut? MS is basically handing the lead to Sony. Yet Sony just can't seem to do it, its embarassing really.

I think the end of the console generation is when Sony and MS put out new hardware. I don't include NIntendo because their next gen is basically last gen.



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phenom08 on 18 July 2012

Wow Mr. Puggsly, I agreed all the way up til the Nintendo part. Next Gen is basically last Gen is hilarious. If so then Microsoft and Sony must enjoy copying from the past because we both know what Microsoft and Sony both intended to do with Kinect and PS Move.



bouzane on 18 July 2012
Mr Puggsly said:
bouzane said:


The 360 has been on the market longer and it has little more to gain from price cuts, new models, peripherals or services. I'm not trying to be condescending (don't care if you take it that way though, you're a random person on the Internet who I don't know, just stating a fact) but it really has been terribly obvious for quite some time that the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 in total hardware sales. Even the surprise success of the Kinect and PSN outage combined can't stop it from happening. The only scenario in which the 360 could possibly outsell the PS3 is if the PS4 hits the market before the Xbox Trinity / Delta and we all know that to be an unlikely scenario.

 

@Mr Puggsly

How do you define the end of a console generation?

I love your arguments. There is still great demand for the 360, yet it has little to gain from price cuts and new models? Are you really under the illusion further price cuts wouldn't stimulate 360 sales? Especially considering it shares most of PS3's library? Nonsense.

Kinect allowed the 360 to maintain strong sales without relying on massive price cuts. If the 360 S included a price cut, the sales gap would be even bigger. It seems clear to me that MS cares more about profit than having a bigger userbase than PS3.

PS3 getting the lead over the 360 is not much of an achievment. When was the last time the 360 had a price cut? MS is basically handing the lead to Sony. Yet Sony just can't seem to do it, its embarassing really.

I think the end of the console generation is when Sony and MS put out new hardware. I don't include NIntendo because their next gen is basically last gen.


Every Boxing Week and New Years sale since December 2010 has seen the 360 on sale for $130 or less. Price really isn't that much of an obstacle to 360 adoption. Also, you misinterpret "little to gain" as "wouldn't stimulate". little =/= nothing. The 360 has little to gain from further price cuts when compared to the PS3 = fact. Price is a bigger obstacle for the PS3 than the 360 = fact. The PS3's entry model is more expensive, therefore a price cut will benefit it to a much larger degree = fact.

Since when was profitability a point of this discussion? Since when was the importance of the PS3 outselling the 360 a point of this discussion?

Yes, Sony sure is incompetent. That doesn't really change the fact that the PS3 is going to overtake the 360 in total unit sales.

Your view on console generations is foolish. The WiiU will launch close to the PS4 and Xbox Trinity / Delta and will compete directly against those systems, therefore they are in the same generation. Nothing can change that very simple definition. Also, I disagree about the timing of the end of this generation. I don't really think a console generation is over until that generation's hardware is no longer being manufactured.

Very, very poor post Mr. Puggsly, you are capable of much more well thought out and relevant arguments then this. As they say on 4chan... "Son, I am Disappoint"