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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 18 June 2012

i will glady buy there wiiu game when it eventually comes out. :)



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F0X on 18 June 2012
outlawauron said:
Conegamer said:
darkknightkryta said:
lilbroex said:
Turkish said:
I'd rather want them to make a game for the next gen PS4/nextbox consoles tho :/


He refuses to work for Sony, so you can kiss that fantasy goodbye. Though it funny how people can show so much love and favoritism for something that doesn't even exist yet. Nintendo hate is something else.

I agree with him.  I mean it won't be nearly as bad as wii to ps3, but when you have RPGs with these huge stories and lore, graphics play an important part.  I mean; wouldn't you want the best possible graphics when watching frequent and long cutscenes? Or traveling around the world and towns?

If that happened, then the best JRPG of the past decade, Xenoblade, would be nothing like it is now. It'd be shorter, smaller, and generall less-fun, simply so it could look a little better. I'd rather have my 100-hour story with 450 sidequests, open areas and stunning scenery, than a 20-hour corridor crawler which looks good like FFXIII...

So the least important thing in huge RPG's is most certainly the graphics. It's why FFVII is still loved, whilst FFXIII is not. 

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time.

Developers make all sorts of compromises regarding the game dependant on budget, time, and the console they're working with. Naturally, developers should want to push every boundary, while some do, others can't. You have small developers who regularly put out great games on PS3 like Gust and NIS. They don't push the graphically boundary (never have honestly), but no compromises have been made to content or gameplay because it's on the big, bad PS3.

You shouldn't make assumptions based on no information really. I could say "X would be so much better on Y console, because of speculation". We don't know how it would have turned out, but we certainly do know that it's not 100 hour game. It's the same standard length as every other JRPG. Sure, it has a ton of content that you can do, but it's not all necessary to complete the game. The same could be said of FF13 (which you give a nice exagerration as well). It takes about 30-35 hours to beat the main story, but the late game content and other extras can give you well over 100 hours of gameplay.

And you're absolutely crazy if you think one of Square's main goals with FF7 was to push graphics. It was as it was showcased as the first grand 3D RPG to the world. Square has always been about outdoing themselves in all areas, and that includes graphics (certainly did not start with FF13).

Whoa there buddy. Don't forget that FFXIII had lots more time, resources, and manpower behind it (yet it's still significantly shorter than Xenoblade even if one were to speed through both). Gust and NIS do a great job on the PS3, but their games bear little similarity to Xenoblade. Disgaea really isn't even in the same genre.

Even so, I do think that Xenoblade could have existed in full form on the PS3. Development may have taken a bit more time and money, and it probably wouldn't push the system's power in any way, but it could have worked out fine. Still, Monolith would've had to find a publisher that is willing to let their vision remain uncompromised, so I'm afraid that "could have happened" doesn't necessarily mean "would have happened". Nor is there any guarentee that it would be more or less successful.

So I must happily agree that this whole conversation about whether or not the game would've been better and/or more succesful on another console is completely idiotic. I say everyone should stop whining when a console they don't like (or don't have) gets a first-party exclusive.



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lilbroex on 18 June 2012
F0X said:
outlawauron said:
Conegamer said:
darkknightkryta said:
lilbroex said:
Turkish said:
I'd rather want them to make a game for the next gen PS4/nextbox consoles tho :/


He refuses to work for Sony, so you can kiss that fantasy goodbye. Though it funny how people can show so much love and favoritism for something that doesn't even exist yet. Nintendo hate is something else.

I agree with him.  I mean it won't be nearly as bad as wii to ps3, but when you have RPGs with these huge stories and lore, graphics play an important part.  I mean; wouldn't you want the best possible graphics when watching frequent and long cutscenes? Or traveling around the world and towns?

If that happened, then the best JRPG of the past decade, Xenoblade, would be nothing like it is now. It'd be shorter, smaller, and generall less-fun, simply so it could look a little better. I'd rather have my 100-hour story with 450 sidequests, open areas and stunning scenery, than a 20-hour corridor crawler which looks good like FFXIII...

So the least important thing in huge RPG's is most certainly the graphics. It's why FFVII is still loved, whilst FFXIII is not. 

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time.

Developers make all sorts of compromises regarding the game dependant on budget, time, and the console they're working with. Naturally, developers should want to push every boundary, while some do, others can't. You have small developers who regularly put out great games on PS3 like Gust and NIS. They don't push the graphically boundary (never have honestly), but no compromises have been made to content or gameplay because it's on the big, bad PS3.

You shouldn't make assumptions based on no information really. I could say "X would be so much better on Y console, because of speculation". We don't know how it would have turned out, but we certainly do know that it's not 100 hour game. It's the same standard length as every other JRPG. Sure, it has a ton of content that you can do, but it's not all necessary to complete the game. The same could be said of FF13 (which you give a nice exagerration as well). It takes about 30-35 hours to beat the main story, but the late game content and other extras can give you well over 100 hours of gameplay.

And you're absolutely crazy if you think one of Square's main goals with FF7 was to push graphics. It was as it was showcased as the first grand 3D RPG to the world. Square has always been about outdoing themselves in all areas, and that includes graphics (certainly did not start with FF13).

Whoa there buddy. Don't forget that FFXIII had lots more time, resources, and manpower behind it (yet it's still significantly shorter than Xenoblade even if one were to speed through both). Gust and NIS do a great job on the PS3, but their games bear little similarity to Xenoblade. Disgaea really isn't even in the same genre.

Even so, I do think that Xenoblade could have existed in full form on the PS3. Development may have taken a bit more time and money, and it probably wouldn't push the system's power in any way, but it could have worked out fine. Still, Monolith would've had to find a publisher that is willing to let their vision remain uncompromised, so I'm afraid that "could have happened" doesn't necessarily mean "would have happened". Nor there is any guarentee that it would be more or less successful.

So I must happily agree that this whole conversation about whether or not the game would've been better and/or more succesful on another console is completely idiotic. I say everyone should stop whining when a console they don't like (or have) gets a first-party exclusive.

Monolith Soft is owned by and works for Nintendo. Talking about how it would have been developed on the PS3 is like talking about how Mario Galaxy would have been developed on the PS3.



outlawauron on 18 June 2012
F0X said:
outlawauron said:
Conegamer said:
darkknightkryta said:
lilbroex said:
Turkish said:
I'd rather want them to make a game for the next gen PS4/nextbox consoles tho :/


He refuses to work for Sony, so you can kiss that fantasy goodbye. Though it funny how people can show so much love and favoritism for something that doesn't even exist yet. Nintendo hate is something else.

I agree with him.  I mean it won't be nearly as bad as wii to ps3, but when you have RPGs with these huge stories and lore, graphics play an important part.  I mean; wouldn't you want the best possible graphics when watching frequent and long cutscenes? Or traveling around the world and towns?

If that happened, then the best JRPG of the past decade, Xenoblade, would be nothing like it is now. It'd be shorter, smaller, and generall less-fun, simply so it could look a little better. I'd rather have my 100-hour story with 450 sidequests, open areas and stunning scenery, than a 20-hour corridor crawler which looks good like FFXIII...

So the least important thing in huge RPG's is most certainly the graphics. It's why FFVII is still loved, whilst FFXIII is not. 

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time.

Developers make all sorts of compromises regarding the game dependant on budget, time, and the console they're working with. Naturally, developers should want to push every boundary, while some do, others can't. You have small developers who regularly put out great games on PS3 like Gust and NIS. They don't push the graphically boundary (never have honestly), but no compromises have been made to content or gameplay because it's on the big, bad PS3.

You shouldn't make assumptions based on no information really. I could say "X would be so much better on Y console, because of speculation". We don't know how it would have turned out, but we certainly do know that it's not 100 hour game. It's the same standard length as every other JRPG. Sure, it has a ton of content that you can do, but it's not all necessary to complete the game. The same could be said of FF13 (which you give a nice exagerration as well). It takes about 30-35 hours to beat the main story, but the late game content and other extras can give you well over 100 hours of gameplay.

And you're absolutely crazy if you think one of Square's main goals with FF7 was to push graphics. It was as it was showcased as the first grand 3D RPG to the world. Square has always been about outdoing themselves in all areas, and that includes graphics (certainly did not start with FF13).

Whoa there buddy. Don't forget that FFXIII had lots more time, resources, and manpower behind it (yet it's still significantly shorter than Xenoblade even if one were to speed through both). Gust and NIS do a great job on the PS3, but their games bear little similarity to Xenoblade. Disgaea really isn't even in the same genre.

Even so, I do think that Xenoblade could have existed in full form on the PS3. Development may have taken a bit more time and money, and it probably wouldn't push the system's power in any way, but it could have worked out fine. Still, Monolith would've had to find a publisher that is willing to let their vision remain uncompromised, so I'm afraid that "could have happened" doesn't necessarily mean "would have happened". Nor is there any guarentee that it would be more or less successful.

So I must happily agree that this whole conversation about whether or not the game would've been better and/or more succesful on another console is completely idiotic. I say everyone should stop whining when a console they don't like (or don't have) gets a first-party exclusive.

I feel like the costs of development have been skewed in perception. It has more to do with the time spent and size of development team (which large scale productions require and moreso on the HD consoles), but it doesn't mean the Wii or any other console is suddenly cheaper by default. There's a reason why we have PS1 games cost $40 million to develop and the infamous Dreamcast game costing $70 million to develop.

I only brought up NIS and Gust as examples of PS3 JRPGs that have been made a low cost without content loss or any of his other assumptions.



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F0X on 18 June 2012
outlawauron said:
F0X said:
outlawauron said:
Conegamer said:

If that happened, then the best JRPG of the past decade, Xenoblade, would be nothing like it is now. It'd be shorter, smaller, and generall less-fun, simply so it could look a little better. I'd rather have my 100-hour story with 450 sidequests, open areas and stunning scenery, than a 20-hour corridor crawler which looks good like FFXIII...

So the least important thing in huge RPG's is most certainly the graphics. It's why FFVII is still loved, whilst FFXIII is not. 

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time.

Developers make all sorts of compromises regarding the game dependant on budget, time, and the console they're working with. Naturally, developers should want to push every boundary, while some do, others can't. You have small developers who regularly put out great games on PS3 like Gust and NIS. They don't push the graphically boundary (never have honestly), but no compromises have been made to content or gameplay because it's on the big, bad PS3.

You shouldn't make assumptions based on no information really. I could say "X would be so much better on Y console, because of speculation". We don't know how it would have turned out, but we certainly do know that it's not 100 hour game. It's the same standard length as every other JRPG. Sure, it has a ton of content that you can do, but it's not all necessary to complete the game. The same could be said of FF13 (which you give a nice exagerration as well). It takes about 30-35 hours to beat the main story, but the late game content and other extras can give you well over 100 hours of gameplay.

And you're absolutely crazy if you think one of Square's main goals with FF7 was to push graphics. It was as it was showcased as the first grand 3D RPG to the world. Square has always been about outdoing themselves in all areas, and that includes graphics (certainly did not start with FF13).

Whoa there buddy. Don't forget that FFXIII had lots more time, resources, and manpower behind it (yet it's still significantly shorter than Xenoblade even if one were to speed through both). Gust and NIS do a great job on the PS3, but their games bear little similarity to Xenoblade. Disgaea really isn't even in the same genre.

Even so, I do think that Xenoblade could have existed in full form on the PS3. Development may have taken a bit more time and money, and it probably wouldn't push the system's power in any way, but it could have worked out fine. Still, Monolith would've had to find a publisher that is willing to let their vision remain uncompromised, so I'm afraid that "could have happened" doesn't necessarily mean "would have happened". Nor is there any guarentee that it would be more or less successful.

So I must happily agree that this whole conversation about whether or not the game would've been better and/or more succesful on another console is completely idiotic. I say everyone should stop whining when a console they don't like (or don't have) gets a first-party exclusive.

I feel like the costs of development have been skewed in perception. It has more to do with the time spent and size of development team (which large scale productions require and moreso on the HD consoles), but it doesn't mean the Wii or any other console is suddenly cheaper by default. There's a reason why we have PS1 games cost $40 million to develop and the infamous Dreamcast game costing $70 million to develop.

I only brought up NIS and Gust as examples of PS3 JRPGs that have been made a low cost without content loss or any of his other assumptions.

You're right in the sense that a Wii game can cost just as much money to develop as a PS3 game can. However, this is the kind of thing that can only be judged on a case to case basis, and while I don't think being on the PS3 would make Xenoblade into FFIII, I can definitely see scenarios that could cause a marked rise in development costs. This ranges from the publisher potentially pressuring Monolith to cut corners in order to improve the graphics to the initial difficulty of developing for the PS3 (after all, Xenoblade has been in development since 2006). Perhaps if the game wasn't a rather big-budget, huge-risk game to begin with then I would absolutely agree with you. Gust and NIS games are fine examples of how certain kinds of JRPGs can succeed on PS3.

Also, Conegamer's post was directed at someone who wanted the best possible RPG graphics (which absolutely would cost a pretty penny), not someone who merely wanted to see games on PS3. I think you've greatly misinterpreted him.

Now I'd like to focus on Conegamer's belief that graphics aren't so very important to the RPG experience. There's some truth to it, considering that many classic RPGs haven't pushed their respective systems very much, and how the genre has in the past succeded on platforms that were technically less powerful than the competition... and how it continues to succeed on handhelds. Ultimately I'd take an RPG with fantastic art design over one with the fanciest tech (not to say that they're mutually exclusive though).



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the_dengle on 19 June 2012
darkknightkryta said:
lilbroex said:
Turkish said:
I'd rather want them to make a game for the next gen PS4/nextbox consoles tho :/


He refuses to work for Sony, so you can kiss that fantasy goodbye. Though it funny how people can show so much love and favoritism for something that doesn't even exist yet. Nintendo hate is something else.

I agree with him.  I mean it won't be nearly as bad as wii to ps3, but when you have RPGs with these huge stories and lore, graphics play an important part.  I mean; wouldn't you want the best possible graphics when watching frequent and long cutscenes? Or traveling around the world and towns?

If you really want "the best possible graphics," why would you agree with Turkish that it should be on PS4? Naturally, a game developed for PC could really let loose with truly amazing graphics. It probably wouldn't be able to run on even next-gen consoles -- certainly not at full settings, anyway -- but at least it'll have the best possible graphics.



PhantomLink on 19 June 2012

I hope this time they make some turn-based shit with random encounters.



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lilbroex on 19 June 2012
the_dengle said:

If you really want "the best possible graphics," why would you agree with Turkish that it should be on PS4? Naturally, a game developed for PC could really let loose with truly amazing graphics. It probably wouldn't be able to run on even next-gen consoles -- certainly not at full settings, anyway -- but at least it'll have the best possible graphics.


Indeed. I would rather there not be a console version at all if I wanted the best graphics because the difference in capability witht he console and PC are so big that there is no way to feasibly make a PC game utizing the best PC technology that will still be compatible with the consoles.

If I want best graphics, I want PC esclusivity. If I want a console experience, I want the one that give the most utility. That means the Wii U. The games will be cheaper for developers so they want take as long to develop.



S.T.A.G.E. on 19 June 2012

The PS4 needs a Sakaguchi title. The largest base would be there, I dont know what Sakaguchi had against Sony but it must been something huge.



F0X on 19 June 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The PS4 needs a Sakaguchi title. The largest base would be there, I dont know what Sakaguchi had against Sony but it must been something huge.

I bet it had something to do with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy:_The_Spirits_Within



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