Yeah, you are right to a degree. But the UN-plan was the legitimation for the formation of israel, so saying that Palestine is no country borders on withdrawing legitimation to Israel. sure, the plan (especially the borderlines discussed at that time) cannot be executed unchanged today. But I think there is no other solution, that the existance of two indepent countries: Israel and Palestine. The situtation at the moment is unbearable.

And the made up country-part and historic precedents: at some time in history always was a nation constructed. So every nation is disputable from a historic standpoint.

now which race would that be?

I would like to add that there's two components in the Israeli-Arab(Palestinian) conflict. One is the legal and moral perspective which we in the West tend to (naively) focus on, but another is the practical struggle for survival and try to win. In the Middle East it's not so much about who is right or who is wrong, it's very much a battle of give and take. The strongest and wittiest simply wins. If you give your finger to your opponent you risk losing your hand. All decisions on both sides of the conflict are more or less based on this practical struggle rather than on morals.

Yes, we can refer to Jewish history in the territory, Arab history in the territory, the British mandate, the UN partition plan, 1948 borders, 1967 borders, Camp David agreements, Oslo accords, secret peace talks, UN resolutions, international law, human rights and bla bla bla. You have so many arguments that everyone values differently, and we can exchange these arguments back and forth, but in the long run what really matters and what will decide the outcome of the conflict is who will outsmart the other, who is the strongest.

i don't believe as example usa would let another country there "outsmart" israel. just look how usa is paying half (or something like that) of  israels iron dome system which is destroying the incoming rockets.

so for me, it's not only who is stronger there, someone will always get the backup from other countries.

Of course the conflict has all sorts of allies and these are all included in the struggle.

Israel gets support from the Jewish diaspora, USA, evangelical christians and conservatives while Palestinians get support from the Arab world, muslims, European media and left-wingers.

Oh I agree with all of that, except the last part.

The large difference currently is that Palestine isn't a nation.  Other nations existence are less disputable because they are currently nations.

An "flipped" example would be something like Kosovo.  Which was disputable as a nation, then became one, and now it a nation.  This is slightly different since more or less Palestine is more of a "no mans land" then it is a part of Israel, but it's closer then compaing Palestine to say Greece, later Kosvo or even something like South Ossetia.

A two state solution is needed, but realistically, all that happens from a delay and from keeping their negotations private is a loss of Palestinian land, and a gain in Israeli land.  Even if the US backs off all support and a UN solution is implemented you can be sure that anywhere Israel has a significant population in will be left with israel.

What Palestine needs to do is make a public "Sweetheart" deal like in the Palestine papers and say "this is our deal, it's completely onesided against us, but we just want peace."   Israel would more or less be pressured to accept by everyone.

However they CAN'T do that because there people have generally been lied to about what a deal would look like and that they were fairly even bargaining partners.  Thoughts that the Palestine papers might be true was enough to force negotiatior resignations.

As it stands, it's a no win situation... because Hamas gains political power from the status quo, and Fatah would lose power if they made a deal that could actually get done or revealed just how weak their barganning plan is.

The current plan seems to be "Let our people suffer while us polticians are mostly fine removed from their struggles, and wait for the international community to bail us out."   When it SHOULD be "Let's take a hit and be removed from power and be hated by our countrymen, but get our people in a position where their economy can grow and don't suffer."

It's all political cowardness.

Arabs. As you hated especially against Palestinian people, they are Semits. But in the end I don't care much against who is the hate directed, I disapprove of the racist hate. Try to think next time before you post.

i think a two or three state solution is probably best option....but...why should i even care about this?

the arab position has always been to push the jews into the sea and take the entire land. it hasnt changed. the "palestinian" leaders openly call for this sort of thing. the whole palestinian identity is a recent construct, historically speaking, that only really caught on because the other countries no longer wanted to deal with those people. they had no country because they were betrayed by the neighbouring arab states and then left to fend for themselves and deal with all the consequences of the actions. yet these people never wanted accept the reality that israel is not leaving. you would think countries like jordan who would be "palestinian" themselves would have more care for their alleged brothers.

their lives continue to be hard because of their own actions.

I fully agree with this.

Kosovo was never in its entire history of existence even close of becoming anything even remotely related to a nation. The most close it got when it was an autonomous province within Serbia. And no one even referred to it as a province before that. It was just a geographical region, like Rock Mountains.  And even when the war was over, Resolution 1244 assured that Kosovo would remain as a Serbian territory. But of course USA and the other Westerners broke that Resolution (cuz you know, they need to build their bases and feed their paranoia of Russia) and that's why kosovo is considered an independent nation by some people today. Even tho Kosovo  is everything but ''independent''