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Roma on 10 April 2012
Chark said:
mjk45 said:
Roma said:
leo-j said:
The ps4 will be leaps and bounds ahead of this generation, sony doesn't do that, VITA is an example of that, everyone expected vita to be barely more powerful than psp, and more gimmicky than any other device they've released to compete with 3DS, well guess what, it's almost as powerful as the PS3...... and it's being sold for a profit

Vita will be sold at a loss for 3 yrs

 

http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-national/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs#ixzz1OegqmcOC

No where does it say that the vita is selling at a loss , it says they will make a profit on it in 3 years , So it could well mean they hope to get set up costs back by then , obviously R&D for the vita was nothing like what happened with the PS3 and blu-ray - cell adoption , so it wouldn't be surprising if they at least break even or make a profit and the make a profit  part , is most certainly what they do  on the memory card side.

Yeah I'd have to agree with that too, suggested production cost was $160 for Vita. That leaves enough wiggle room for some profit. The author misinterpreted the interview he based his article on, or purposevly spun it. Here's the quote:

"aim to turn a profit withint three years in the body of the Vita sale."

By "body" he means in total. They predict to sell enough Vita's in 3 years to make more money than it cost to create it. Not too bad over a 5 to 7 year life cycle.

They are selling it at a loss!

Here is another link

http://andriasang.com/comw7e/vita_loss/





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flagstaad on 10 April 2012
Michael-5 said:

...I think Wii U will be what Wii is this gen. It will be more powerful then PS3/360, if it isn't how will Nintendo get strong third party support? Wouldn't it be difficult for devs to import PS360 titles (like Darksiders 2) to the Wii U if the technical specs were lower? However Wii U is a small device, just like the Wii, and I don't expect it to be too powerful. Still if Nintendo can make a proper HD Zelda (hardcore style like the N64 games and Twilight Princess), and an HD Smash Bros and Metroid Prime, that would just be awesome.

and hey....Backward compatibility, hello? I love it.

Ok, I don't say that the Wii U will be very powerful but people bring the size over and over to the table so lets address that one.

For staters it is bigger than a Wii and the design shown is not final, so it can be even bigger than what we have seen, it depends on the heat it produces and the cooling solutions implemented.

Second, it does not have a hard drive (at least not now) so you have to exclude from the unit.

Third, Nintendo does not include the energy source inside the unit, it is always external.

Now take all those things into account and you will find that the size of the unit is not really a problem for the expected power, taking into account the rumored specs of course. Imagine a PS3 slim without hard drive and internal energy source and you can see that even a 3 years old design could be the same size as the expected Wii U size.



flagstaad on 10 April 2012

Back on topic. Sony doubled its forecast of annual loss to US$6.4 billion. This year will be the fourth year of losses for Sony.

Given that situation, can Sony sell the new PlayStation at a loss? will their share holders agree with that kind of plan?

The specs leaked parts will cost around $220-$270 next year, add the other cost (production, advertisement, distribution, R&D, etc) and you can get a $350-$400 machine, that is a very nice price to compete and the company will not have to sell at a loss each unit.



Plezbo on 10 April 2012

Yeah I don't think this upcoming gen is going to blow the current gen's graphics out of the water. I definitely think there will be improvement, but the cost of hardware to get the cutting edge is just too much. I think in the first year of these new machines you will see slight upgrades over current gen, followed by better and better graphics as devs get more comfortable on the new hardware.

The comment that games were running at the same rate that they are on PS3 on PS4 dev kits isnt surprising. The dev that stated this probably just slapped whatever they were making onto PS4 hardware without optimizing anything, just to see if it ran. remember the early days of 360, even though the hardware was LEAGUES better than the previous gen, graphics were not even close to what you get today.

Next gen will TRULY be about being the center of the living room/entertainment center. I think you will see lots of other stuff aside from games as people move to consolidate their experience into fewer total devices.



Pavolink on 10 April 2012
flagstaad said:
Michael-5 said:

...I think Wii U will be what Wii is this gen. It will be more powerful then PS3/360, if it isn't how will Nintendo get strong third party support? Wouldn't it be difficult for devs to import PS360 titles (like Darksiders 2) to the Wii U if the technical specs were lower? However Wii U is a small device, just like the Wii, and I don't expect it to be too powerful. Still if Nintendo can make a proper HD Zelda (hardcore style like the N64 games and Twilight Princess), and an HD Smash Bros and Metroid Prime, that would just be awesome.

and hey....Backward compatibility, hello? I love it.

Ok, I don't say that the Wii U will be very powerful but people bring the size over and over to the table so lets address that one.

For staters it is bigger than a Wii and the design shown is not final, so it can be even bigger than what we have seen, it depends on the heat it produces and the cooling solutions implemented.

Second, it does not have a hard drive (at least not now) so you have to exclude from the unit.

Third, Nintendo does not include the energy source inside the unit, it is always external.

Now take all those things into account and you will find that the size of the unit is not really a problem for the expected power, taking into account the rumored specs of course. Imagine a PS3 slim without hard drive and internal energy source and you can see that even a 3 years old design could be the same size as the expected Wii U size.

Exactly. Let's not forget how good was designed the GameCube in such small case.



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Player1x3 on 10 April 2012
zero129 said:
Player1x3 said:
zero129 said:
hahaha love this thread xD.
And it goes with what i have been saying judging from the rumored specs.
This gen will be the PS2-GC-Xbox in terms of power, the will be no big difference between the 3.


Funny how you like & support this thread, but you go all batshit insane when the similar thing is said by the developers on Wii U.

I mean, at least try to cover your bias...

I never said i believed this thread.And i never said you believed in this thread... I just find it funny how some fans are so quick to believe Wii U rumors from so called "No name" devs, when many other devs such as Epic, Gearbox, EA etc have said differently and Plus anyone that "KNOWS" about specs would see the is no way the Wii U Rumors could be true, But yet when its turned around to their console of choice right out the door its a "NO WAY" this is true. Thats why i love this thread, not cos i think the rumor is true, same goes for the Wii U rumors they are just not true too.I just find it funny how some fans are so quick to believe PS4 (which hasn't even been announced yet) rumors from so called "No name" devs are true and anyone that "KNOWS" about specs would see the is no way the PS4 Rumors could be true, But yet when its turned around to their console of choice right out the door its a "NO WAY" this is true. <---- See what i did there?

so im not covering anything at all and the is no bias, if anything you should cover yours.Yeah, except that I said nothing on the subject... And also if the PS4 is using them specs it's not going to be the power beast ye are hoping forWHAT SPECS??? ITS NOT EVEN FUCKING ANNOUNCED !!!. Everything thats meant to be in the PS4 is very low end gear, its the GPU that worries me the most. And Judging from the specs of all systems it will be a PS2-GC-Xbox Gen again in terms of power (This is only based on the rumored specs alot could change) and not a Wii-PS360 difference.If you're gonna go by the rumors, include ALL of them, not just the ones that fit your wishful thinking

But it's not like that's a bad thing if all next gen consoles are close in power right?, they are all going to be above the PS3 and 360 when it comes to power anyway and isn't that just what everyone wants??. Agree


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Alby_da_Wolf on 10 April 2012

x86 architecture instead of POWER for CPU makes no sense. Neither if they choose the value way, nor if they choose the power one, in both cases POWER 7, or even better 8, if they'll release later, could give more computing power for money and for watt. No further development of Cell's SPE cores could make a little more sense, anyway this wouldn't necessarily imply abandoning them, as the 2008 SPE evolution IBM developed for its back then highest performance CPUs is a lot more powerful than SPEs used in PS3's Cell and could be enough not only for 8th gen, but maybe even for 9th, given how slowly developers arrived to fully exploit the original ones' potential, and considering that in the future SPEs could be used more for physics and other things and not anymore for graphics.
An AMD GPU instead totally makes sense, as if it's true that ATI-AMD and NVidia often swap places at the leadership for graphics, consoles never use top-end GPUs, as their cost and power consumption are excessive, but in the medium and low range AMD ofters more often and consistently (not always, just more often, but it should be enough to make a choice) the better value for money.



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logic56 on 10 April 2012
Roma said:
Chark said:
mjk45 said:
Roma said:
leo-j said:
The ps4 will be leaps and bounds ahead of this generation, sony doesn't do that, VITA is an example of that, everyone expected vita to be barely more powerful than psp, and more gimmicky than any other device they've released to compete with 3DS, well guess what, it's almost as powerful as the PS3...... and it's being sold for a profit

Vita will be sold at a loss for 3 yrs

 

http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-national/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs#ixzz1OegqmcOC

No where does it say that the vita is selling at a loss , it says they will make a profit on it in 3 years , So it could well mean they hope to get set up costs back by then , obviously R&D for the vita was nothing like what happened with the PS3 and blu-ray - cell adoption , so it wouldn't be surprising if they at least break even or make a profit and the make a profit  part , is most certainly what they do  on the memory card side.

Yeah I'd have to agree with that too, suggested production cost was $160 for Vita. That leaves enough wiggle room for some profit. The author misinterpreted the interview he based his article on, or purposevly spun it. Here's the quote:

"aim to turn a profit withint three years in the body of the Vita sale."

By "body" he means in total. They predict to sell enough Vita's in 3 years to make more money than it cost to create it. Not too bad over a 5 to 7 year life cycle.

They are selling it at a loss!

Here is another link

http://andriasang.com/comw7e/vita_loss/

are you aware your posting links that are all saying the same thing right

how can they make profit on something in less than 3 years if they've been selling it at a loss for 3 years....that makes NO sense at all.



chicoedge on 10 April 2012
logic56 said:
Roma said:
Chark said:
mjk45 said:
Roma said:
leo-j said:
The ps4 will be leaps and bounds ahead of this generation, sony doesn't do that, VITA is an example of that, everyone expected vita to be barely more powerful than psp, and more gimmicky than any other device they've released to compete with 3DS, well guess what, it's almost as powerful as the PS3...... and it's being sold for a profit

Vita will be sold at a loss for 3 yrs

 

http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-national/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs#ixzz1OegqmcOC

No where does it say that the vita is selling at a loss , it says they will make a profit on it in 3 years , So it could well mean they hope to get set up costs back by then , obviously R&D for the vita was nothing like what happened with the PS3 and blu-ray - cell adoption , so it wouldn't be surprising if they at least break even or make a profit and the make a profit  part , is most certainly what they do  on the memory card side.

Yeah I'd have to agree with that too, suggested production cost was $160 for Vita. That leaves enough wiggle room for some profit. The author misinterpreted the interview he based his article on, or purposevly spun it. Here's the quote:

"aim to turn a profit withint three years in the body of the Vita sale."

By "body" he means in total. They predict to sell enough Vita's in 3 years to make more money than it cost to create it. Not too bad over a 5 to 7 year life cycle.

They are selling it at a loss!

Here is another link

http://andriasang.com/comw7e/vita_loss/

are you aware your posting links that are all saying the same thing right

how can they make profit on something in less than 3 years if they've been selling it at a loss for 3 years....that makes NO sense at all.

Because the money is in software and accessories, not the system hardware. Sony is projecting that they will sell enough Vitas in 3 years so that the money they make from third party game sales, their own games and memory cards will be enough to turn a profit.



logic56 on 10 April 2012
chicoedge said:

Because the money is in software and accessories, not the system hardware. Sony is projecting that they will sell enough Vitas in 3 years so that the money they make from third party game sales, their own games and memory cards will be enough to turn a profit.

and you know this how??