How hilarious would it be if the three companies got together at E3, and were like, "So, yeah, we don't wanna do this anymore, so the next gen of consoles are all the same, one common platform, no used games, everything costs $75, and you have to give a handjob to this move controller before you turn it on everytime. Take it."
flagstaad said:
1. True, but is still 40% bigger than a Wii and the design is still not final. 2. A smart phone is actually pretty big, it can represent up to 15% size of a console like the 360 slim or PS3 slim 3. the PS3 slim DOES NOT have a external surge protector, it is included inside the console and as you mention it can represent up to 30% of the actual size of the product. Sooo, a PS3 with the surge protector on the outside and without a hard drive will be actually be up to 5% SMALLER than the design of the Wii U shown last year at E3. And the PS3 slim is a 3 year old design, if they wanted they could make a PS3 even smaller, actually if they could make the heat disipation better, that fan in the PS3 slim is gigantic. |
Alright, that's true. N64 had a built in power supply.
Still, Wii U won't be as powerful as nextbox or PS4, so I still think Wii U will be as much of an improvement on the PS3 and 360 and Wii was on the GCN and XB.
and withing generations, there has always been major gaps in power, from Wii, to PS2/Dreamcast, to PS1, to the DS and 3DS, their has always been a cheapest/weakest system. Lucky for Nintendo, that system has always been the best selling (except in the case of Sega).
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| Michael-5 said: Alright, that's true. N64 had a built in power supply.
Still, Wii U won't be as powerful as nextbox or PS4, so I still think Wii U will be as much of an improvement on the PS3 and 360 and Wii was on the GCN and XB. and withing generations, there has always been major gaps in power, from Wii, to PS2/Dreamcast, to PS1, to the DS and 3DS, their has always been a cheapest/weakest system. Lucky for Nintendo, that system has always been the best selling (except in the case of Sega). |
Agreed, the Wii U won't be as powerful as nextbox or PS4, but I think the difference will be a little bigger with the PS3 and Xbox360, like PS2 vs Wii.
Now the other thing is that maybe the gap between this generation and the next is not going to be so big as before, just check the "leaked specs" of the PS4 and the difference between this and the PS3 is around 5x - 6x not the 10x - 12x that you found between the PS2 and PS3. Of course maybe this specs are of early development kits and the power can increase in the next ones, either because they need to compete with Microsoft or because they got better prices in more advanced hardware pieces.
flagstaad said:
Agreed, the Wii U won't be as powerful as nextbox or PS4, but I think the difference will be a little bigger with the PS3 and Xbox360, like PS2 vs Wii. Now the other thing is that maybe the gap between this generation and the next is not going to be so big as before, just check the "leaked specs" of the PS4 and the difference between this and the PS3 is around 5x - 6x not the 10x - 12x that you found between the PS2 and PS3. Of course maybe this specs are of early development kits and the power can increase in the next ones, either because they need to compete with Microsoft or because they got better prices in more advanced hardware pieces. |
Yea, that's true, but the PS3/360 were a huge change in console marketing. Prior to those systems, most systems didn't start off at over $300, and PS3 started at $600....
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| Michael-5 said: Yea, that's true, but the PS3/360 were a huge change in console marketing. Prior to those systems, most systems didn't start off at over $300, and PS3 started at $600.... |
And at $600 it struggled a lot and even with a $500 edition it had many problems selling at the beggining, some developers were delaying their games and it was the previous market leader with the console that "almost everybody" was waiting for. I think no console creator wants to reach that price ever again. $400 seems to be the sweet spot for new consoles, and for a console to generate some profit (even a small one) the cost of the parts have to be around $220-$250 and those parts will not make a very powerful device.
flagstaad said:
And at $600 it struggled a lot and even with a $500 edition it had many problems selling at the beggining, some developers were delaying their games and it was the previous market leader with the console that "almost everybody" was waiting for. I think no console creator wants to reach that price ever again. $400 seems to be the sweet spot for new consoles, and for a console to generate some profit (even a small one) the cost of the parts have to be around $220-$250 and those parts will not make a very powerful device. |
That sounds about right, and I'm pretty sure the Wii U will undercut the PS4 and Nextbox by $100. If you ever pay attention to Nintendo console prices, they have stayed at about current day $300, when you take into account inflation. NES and SNES were about $200 system, N64 was $230 I recall and Gamecube started at $250. Wii was $280 and the most expensive console upon release when you look at inflation.
If PS4 and Nextbox are $400 out of the gate, then that will be awesome. I learned not to buy first gen systems (which aren't Nintendo) with my PS1-3 and 360, so as soon as they do the first price cut, I could afford both system. 
But one last point, didn't PS2 start at $400 or something at the start? I know the price quickly dropped when they could meet demand, but if that was the case for the PS2, I think we still might see $500 NextBox/PS4 consoles. However they wouldn't stay that expensive for long.
Right now....Wii time, I only got it a year ago and damn XenoBlade is addictive. Much better then any Final Fantasy game I have ever played...and almost any JRPG I have ever played.
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If it's the graphics card that has 1 gb of ddr5 memory, that's pretty decent.
I find it weird they say it's on par with current gen in the op. While the processor is no doubt weaker in some areas, the graphics chip is much more capable than the one in the ps3, despite the cell processor being able to render parts of the image. - 1 gb ddr5 memory is also far better than the 256mb ddr3 on the ps3's card. It'll be interesting to see if sony goes with xdr2 ram for the dedicated ram, or settles for ddr3.
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And at $600 it struggled a lot and even with a $500 edition it had many problems selling at the beggining, some developers were delaying their games and it was the previous market leader with the console that "almost everybody" was waiting for. I think no console creator wants to reach that price ever again. $400 seems to be the sweet spot for new consoles, and for a console to generate some profit (even a small one) the cost of the parts have to be around $220-$250 and those parts will not make a very powerful device. |
Good point. PS3 went out of the tunnel at $400. With an entry level model at $400 Sony (and obviously its competitors too) could also be able to offer a premium one at a higher price, to get some more money and maybe even be profitable or at least not losing money since launch even with slightly more expensive components, but a $400 or lower launch model is of the essence to avoid struggling.
| Michael-5 said: That sounds about right, and I'm pretty sure the Wii U will undercut the PS4 and Nextbox by $100. If you ever pay attention to Nintendo console prices, they have stayed at about current day $300, when you take into account inflation. NES and SNES were about $200 system, N64 was $230 I recall and Gamecube started at $250. Wii was $280 and the most expensive console upon release when you look at inflation. If PS4 and Nextbox are $400 out of the gate, then that will be awesome. I learned not to buy first gen systems (which aren't Nintendo) with my PS1-3 and 360, so as soon as they do the first price cut, I could afford both system. But one last point, didn't PS2 start at $400 or something at the start? I know the price quickly dropped when they could meet demand, but if that was the case for the PS2, I think we still might see $500 NextBox/PS4 consoles. However they wouldn't stay that expensive for long. Right now....Wii time, I only got it a year ago and damn XenoBlade is addictive. Much better then any Final Fantasy game I have ever played...and almost any JRPG I have ever played. |
The PS2 launched at $300, here is a link to check it:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-announces-ps2-launch-date-and-price-2568701
The first one that raised the launch standard price was the Xbox360, that launched with two configurations, one for $300 and one for $400
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch#Release_dates_and_pricing
And the PS3 came out also with two models and prices the 20Gb for $500 and the 60GB for $600, so the console even with a $500 model struggled a lot the first year.
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