The problem is that there is little reason to own a Wii-U unless third-party games are significantly better with a tablet controller. I want to see more than just a new controller to play existing games on. If third-party games are gonna looks exactly the same, then why own a Wii U to begin with?

It also kinda peevs me off knowing that if this turns out to be true, then there shouldn't have been any reason why Nintendo can't include a better processor and more RAM. It shouldn't be hard, and would give developers more of a reason to port their games over to Wii-U for "the definite experience". It just doesn't make sense if it's not at least a little bit more powerful.

At this point, the only reason to own a Wii U is going to be for Nintendo's own games.

Yeah I kinda gotta wonder ... even a very cheap AMD GPU like the Radeon 6670 w/1GB GDDR5 RAM ($99 retail) is something Nintendo could probably get for $60-$70 a pop (even that might be overstating its price for a big company like Nintendo). Throw in a reasonable triple core CPU and you'd likely have a kit that blows PS3/360 out of the water and could still cut a small profit at $299.99 retail ... factoring in a $60-$70 manufacturing cost for the controller.

It probably wouldn't fit into a case as small as the one Wii U is using, but really, I don't understand why they're so obsessed with having the smallest case possible right out of the gate. Being able to shrink the case 3 years down the line would provide a nice mid-cycle sales boost anyway as the PS3 and 360 both got with their slim revisions.

I cannot believe Generation after Generation after Generation has shown us the most consumer friendly console has shown to ALWAYS be the most successful, but we have people like the 2 guys above who really believe that power plays any kinda roll in the success of a console.

you graphic whores are delirious.

Shouldn't the Dreamcast have beaten the PS2 by this metric?

I think Wii U is honestly competing more against the existing XBox 360 and PS3 which I don't anticipate going anywhere in the next 3 years.

You'll probably see a division of the game industry, with the Wii U/PS3/360 + Kinect on one end, and then the PS4/720 on the other end for more high budget types of games and PC quality ports.

How is Dreamcast more consumer friendly than the PS2?

He said the most consumer friendly console is the most successful, not the weakest one.

EDIT what  moren said

That's kind of a cop out arguement then because you can always say after the fact which ever platform won was the most "consumer friendly".

I'm not even sure if I'd say the Wii "won" this generation. Yes maybe in terms of units sold, but the XBox 360/PS3 have had much more vitality into their later years and seem to have much more active software development and developer support. The Wii had three very explosive years off the top and then has really levelled off.

Lets wait and see if casuals are as impressed with a traditional controller + a touchscreen as they were with the Wiimote six years ago. I have my doubts about that. Wiimote was a revolution to non-gamers ... but today that market has all types of options and I don't think slapping a touchscreen on a traditional controller replicates what the Wiimote did for the Wii.

Thats also a cop out. your trying to discredit the mass success of Wii by  basicaly saying it didnt get the cool games that PS360, but if the fanbase is satisfied with what was offered on the console who are you or anybody else to say otherwise?

It is the consumer that decides success or failure. No one else and most of the current market decided Wii was the better console.

off to work now.

Please define winning.

Having the widest amount of third party developer support, being the platform that has the best quality games on it as a whole (see: NES, SNES, Playstation, Playstation 2), having the most active marketplace for developers games ... I think has to be considered.

The Wii is not like the previous generation "winners" in those respects. It's certainly not what I would call the "market leader" right now, as a platform the majority of the development community (even Japanese) are not making games for it anymore unless it's shovelware.