Xxain said: SONY is lame, They need to start selling there own consoles. Its great Nintendo got MH, but they didnt need it. A mass audience IP is needed for PlayStation products and they need to stop wasting money and time with all that other Junk. Nobody cares about Modnation Racers and that definitely wont change with stripped Vita offering. When will this company step up? They have consoles to sell. Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear are not there to save them anymore. All these owned developers andthey barely have IP's that sells 5% of PS3 owners and I believe GT5 is the only game that reached 10%. SONY needs to find a self owned IP that attracts a mass audience regardless of Region to a single game. They need a real console seller. They need that game everybody will buy by default when they purchase PlayStation products. They need to start selling PlayStation's Current IP's are not even close to that.

That's not Sony's style. They believe in having a wide variety of medium sized franchises as opposed to a few behemoths ala Nintendo. This prevents 3rd parties from being scared of the competition while still producing good games. And although you can argue with this strategy, you can't argue with Sony's sucesses: 28 million sellers on a console that only has sold about 60 million units, AS WELL AS a bunch of third party hits.

The fact that Sony relies on third parties is not a sign of weakness if those third parties make PS3 games.

Salnax said: Xxain said: SONY is lame, They need to start selling there own consoles. Its great Nintendo got MH, but they didnt need it. A mass audience IP is needed for PlayStation products and they need to stop wasting money and time with all that other Junk. Nobody cares about Modnation Racers and that definitely wont change with stripped Vita offering. When will this company step up? They have consoles to sell. Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear are not there to save them anymore. All these owned developers andthey barely have IP's that sells 5% of PS3 owners and I believe GT5 is the only game that reached 10%. SONY needs to find a self owned IP that attracts a mass audience regardless of Region to a single game. They need a real console seller. They need that game everybody will buy by default when they purchase PlayStation products. They need to start selling PlayStation's Current IP's are not even close to that. That's not Sony's style. They believe in having a wide variety of medium sized franchises as opposed to a few behemoths ala Nintendo. This prevents 3rd parties from being scared of the competition while still producing good games. And although you can argue with this strategy, you can't argue with Sony's sucesses: 28 million sellers on a console that only has sold about 60 million units, AS WELL AS a bunch of third party hits. The fact that Sony relies on third parties is not a sign of weakness if those third parties make PS3 games.

True ... if this was the PS2/PS1. 3rd will not be to exclusively support SONY. so every console gets MGSV, FF15 ext plus Mario an Halo on top of that ... what does SONY have? as 3rd parties begin taking in all consoles 3rd party power will dimension( wont play that big of role in console choice) and it will be 1st party offerings/securing that decide it.. which SONY is lacking in regards to appeal.

sad.man.loves.vgc said: Roma said: Carl2291 said: Roma said: it pathetic that they need 3rd party games to stay afloat The Vita strategy will be judged as being pathetic if they do a huge pricecut within a Year of release, until then it's all good. On another note, said this a while back - PS3 port. Too bad Sony can’t afford a price cut as they did not plan ahead. If they had sold it at a profit and then reduced it to a small loss it would be different but now if they do they will add loss over the already existing losses 3rd party is the sole reason Sony is in the gaming market. Wii U, U stands for please port ps360 games to our console. OT: Lame, Shouldn't have let it go to Ninty in the first place, enjoy your hell for being lame.

lol I’m not even gonna comment on this

Xxain said: Salnax said: Xxain said: SONY is lame, They need to start selling there own consoles. Its great Nintendo got MH, but they didnt need it. A mass audience IP is needed for PlayStation products and they need to stop wasting money and time with all that other Junk. Nobody cares about Modnation Racers and that definitely wont change with stripped Vita offering. When will this company step up? They have consoles to sell. Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear are not there to save them anymore. All these owned developers andthey barely have IP's that sells 5% of PS3 owners and I believe GT5 is the only game that reached 10%. SONY needs to find a self owned IP that attracts a mass audience regardless of Region to a single game. They need a real console seller. They need that game everybody will buy by default when they purchase PlayStation products. They need to start selling PlayStation's Current IP's are not even close to that. That's not Sony's style. They believe in having a wide variety of medium sized franchises as opposed to a few behemoths ala Nintendo. This prevents 3rd parties from being scared of the competition while still producing good games. And although you can argue with this strategy, you can't argue with Sony's sucesses: 28 million sellers on a console that only has sold about 60 million units, AS WELL AS a bunch of third party hits. The fact that Sony relies on third parties is not a sign of weakness if those third parties make PS3 games. True ... if this was the PS2/PS1. 3rd will not be to exclusively support SONY. so every console gets MGSV, FF15 ext plus Mario an Halo on top of that ... what does SONY have? as 3rd parties begin taking in all consoles 3rd party power will dimension( wont play that big of role in console choice) and it will be 1st party offerings/securing that decide it.. which SONY is lacking in regards to appeal.

Sony Has:

God of War

Gran Turismo

Hot Shots Golf

ICO Team games

Infamous

Jak and Daxter

Killzone

LittleBigPlanet

Ratchet and Clank

Sly Cooper

Socom

Twisted Metal

Uncharted

 

These may not be the sort of games I like (I'm a Nintendo fan defending PlayStation), but surely these notable franchises, along with other minor ones and whatever new ones Sony makes, are enough to get people to buy their systems?

Xxain said: Tridrakious said: Xxain said: SONY is lame, They need to start selling there own consoles. Its great Nintendo got MH, but they didnt need it. A mass audience IP is needed for PlayStation products and they need to stop wasting money and time with all that other Junk. Nobody cares about Modnation Racers and that definitely wont change with stripped Vita offering. When will this company step up? They have consoles to sell. Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear are not there to save them anymore. All these owned developers andthey barely have IP's that sells 5% of PS3 owners and I believe GT5 is the only game that reached 10%. SONY needs to find a self owned IP that attracts a mass audience regardless of Region to a single game. They need a real console seller. They need that game everybody will buy by default when they purchase PlayStation products. They need to start selling PlayStation's Current IP's are not even close to that. Sony has never been focused on a single game series. They have always believed in diversity. It has paid off. You add up all of Sony franchises and they make a very strong case that combined, Sony games sell systems. With that said Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Killzone and LittleBigPlanet are Sony biggest franchises right now. The budgets for these game franchises are through the roof. LittleBigPlanet will continue to grow as a franchise and will likely become a consistent 5 to 6 million selling franchise. Sony PlayStation is currently going through and tightening up the budgets. They have shut down two studios in the last year (after buying one maybe two). I would take Sony's 15 development studios full of young/seasoned talent over Shigeru Miyamoto. Sony released a flood of high quality titles over 2011 and 2012 looks to do the same for the PS3. Vita struggled in Japan, but more of the titles releasing on the Vita are for the North American and Eurpean markets than they are for the Japanese market. If Sony just focused on Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Killzone and LittleBigPlanet from here on out I would be greatly disappointed. Because there wouldn't have been a Heavy Rain, Warhawk, White Knight Chronicles, Jeanne D'Arc, Resistance, LocoRoco, Patapon, etc. Technically if Sony followed what Nintendo has done. It would be Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Gran Turismo and WipeOut. While good series overall, I'm glad Sony spends money on brand new experiences and trying things that Nintendo and Microsoft wouldn't do. Your Missing the point: SONY cannot sells its own products, Im not taking about diversity of IP reliance. Im taking about games not apealing to enough of it fanbase and its pulling in potential new ones. SONY needs at least 1 Major IP( FF,GTA,POKEMON,DQ,Mario,MH level) to help it sells its OWN consoles. PS4 and Vita will be in trouble if SONY doesn't realize it can no longer rely and 3rd party developer to sells it consoles. THEY have to be that person. NS and Nintendo can sell there consoles... SONY cant

I'm not missing the point at all. Sony has depth. That sells consoles. Games sell systems. Sony still has those major franchises on PlayStation in addition to Uncharted, Gran Turismo, LittleBigPlanet and Killzone.

Sony lost countless exclusive third party games with the PS3 and is still closing in on second place. Despite being $200 more than it's closest competitor (X360) when it launched over a year after it (X360).

Sony is re-directing their talent to improve the appeal of their four biggest titles (GT, Uncharted, LBP and KZ), but they will never get away from having a deeper bench of franchises than Ninty and MS.

Salnax said: Xxain said: Salnax said: Xxain said: SONY is lame, They need to start selling there own consoles. Its great Nintendo got MH, but they didnt need it. A mass audience IP is needed for PlayStation products and they need to stop wasting money and time with all that other Junk. Nobody cares about Modnation Racers and that definitely wont change with stripped Vita offering. When will this company step up? They have consoles to sell. Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear are not there to save them anymore. All these owned developers andthey barely have IP's that sells 5% of PS3 owners and I believe GT5 is the only game that reached 10%. SONY needs to find a self owned IP that attracts a mass audience regardless of Region to a single game. They need a real console seller. They need that game everybody will buy by default when they purchase PlayStation products. They need to start selling PlayStation's Current IP's are not even close to that. That's not Sony's style. They believe in having a wide variety of medium sized franchises as opposed to a few behemoths ala Nintendo. This prevents 3rd parties from being scared of the competition while still producing good games. And although you can argue with this strategy, you can't argue with Sony's sucesses: 28 million sellers on a console that only has sold about 60 million units, AS WELL AS a bunch of third party hits. The fact that Sony relies on third parties is not a sign of weakness if those third parties make PS3 games. True ... if this was the PS2/PS1. 3rd will not be to exclusively support SONY. so every console gets MGSV, FF15 ext plus Mario an Halo on top of that ... what does SONY have? as 3rd parties begin taking in all consoles 3rd party power will dimension( wont play that big of role in console choice) and it will be 1st party offerings/securing that decide it.. which SONY is lacking in regards to appeal. Sony Has: God of War Gran Turismo Hot Shots Golf ICO Team games Infamous Jak and Daxter Killzone LittleBigPlanet Ratchet and Clank Sly Cooper Socom Twisted Metal Uncharted   These may not be the sort of games I like (I'm a Nintendo fan defending PlayStation), but surely these notable franchises, along with other minor ones and whatever new ones Sony makes, are enough to get people to buy their systems?

I forgot God of War (shame on me). So Sony has 5 major franchises. (Uncharted, Gran Turismo, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone and GOD OF WAR)

Salnax said: Xxain said: Salnax said: Xxain said: SONY is lame, They need to start selling there own consoles. Its great Nintendo got MH, but they didnt need it. A mass audience IP is needed for PlayStation products and they need to stop wasting money and time with all that other Junk. Nobody cares about Modnation Racers and that definitely wont change with stripped Vita offering. When will this company step up? They have consoles to sell. Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear are not there to save them anymore. All these owned developers andthey barely have IP's that sells 5% of PS3 owners and I believe GT5 is the only game that reached 10%. SONY needs to find a self owned IP that attracts a mass audience regardless of Region to a single game. They need a real console seller. They need that game everybody will buy by default when they purchase PlayStation products. They need to start selling PlayStation's Current IP's are not even close to that. That's not Sony's style. They believe in having a wide variety of medium sized franchises as opposed to a few behemoths ala Nintendo. This prevents 3rd parties from being scared of the competition while still producing good games. And although you can argue with this strategy, you can't argue with Sony's sucesses: 28 million sellers on a console that only has sold about 60 million units, AS WELL AS a bunch of third party hits. The fact that Sony relies on third parties is not a sign of weakness if those third parties make PS3 games. True ... if this was the PS2/PS1. 3rd will not be to exclusively support SONY. so every console gets MGSV, FF15 ext plus Mario an Halo on top of that ... what does SONY have? as 3rd parties begin taking in all consoles 3rd party power will dimension( wont play that big of role in console choice) and it will be 1st party offerings/securing that decide it.. which SONY is lacking in regards to appeal. Sony Has: God of War Gran Turismo Hot Shots Golf ICO Team games Infamous Jak and Daxter Killzone LittleBigPlanet Ratchet and Clank Sly Cooper Socom Twisted Metal Uncharted   These may not be the sort of games I like (I'm a Nintendo fan defending PlayStation), but surely these notable franchises, along with other minor ones and whatever new ones Sony makes, are enough to get people to buy their systems?

No. Not at all. Pretty much everyone of the listed sell decently to average on the current to console. Why would they bring in New user? GT, GoW are the only games to offer a a nice sales boost to PlayStation(iirc dont remember any of the uncharteds making a difference). These games while great dont have the selling of something like Halo or Mario .. its ok to have diversity but at least have 1 Major IP's to fall back on.

Euphoria14 said: Carl2291 said: Roma said: Carl2291 said: Roma said: it pathetic that they need 3rd party games to stay afloat The Vita strategy will be judged as being pathetic if they do a huge pricecut within a Year of release, until then it's all good. On another note, said this a while back - PS3 port. Too bad Sony can’t afford a price cut as they did not plan ahead. If they had sold it at a profit and then reduced it to a small loss it would be different but now if they do they will add loss over the already existing losses 3rd party is the sole reason Sony is in the gaming market. And Microsoft. And apple. And Nintendo. You make it sound like 3rd parties dont matter at all. . Oh come on Carl, everyone knows that people only care about Mario, that is why it sells 25M copies. Who cares if Wii has ~90M consoles out there and apparently 65M people didn't give a damn about Mario.

Why not use MK that sold 30+M and say 60m Wii owners don’t care about Mario?
I still need to buy MK on Wii which means not everybody buys every game with Mario in the name so you could easily spread the different franchises over the 90m+

I said they only need Mario and all will be well not that they would sell 90m+

You don’t seriously believe that Wii sold 90m+ because of 3rd parties now do you? As dolphin said they don’t need them as the other two do

wenn das wörtchen wenn nicht wär...

Roma said: Why not use MK that sold 30+M and say 60m Wii owners don’t care about Mario? I still need to buy MK on Wii which means not everybody buys every game with Mario in the name so you could easily spread the different franchises over the 90m+ I said they only need Mario and all will be well not that they would sell 90m+ You don’t seriously believe that Wii sold 90m+ because of 3rd parties now do you? As dolphin said they don’t need them as the other two do

Why didn't Mario Kart sell 30 Million on the DS, Gamecube, N64, SNES, etc?

Mario Kart Wii has been bundled for a very long time now. Along with Wii Sports Resort? Why didn't Smash Bros. ever sell as well as it has on Wii? Why is Just Dance the only game that's been pushing the Wii over the last 2 Holiday seasons?

Wii Fit and Wii Sports sold more Wii's than Mario ever did.

The Wii certainly reached 90 Million because of 3rd parties. Not just Nintendo. Doesn't matter if you don't want to believe it. Without Just Dance the Wii would have been trounced over the last 2 Holiday seasons and would have been dead in the dust in 2011, Just Dance 2 kept it afloat throughout the Year and JD3 kept it competing in November/December. Without the countless party games released from 3rd parties, consumers would have got bored of the Wii long ago. Without the Wii Fit ripoffs, consumers would have got bored.

Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Kirby, Zelda, Metroid... None of them helped the N64 or GC compete against the 3rd party driven PS or PS2. There's a reason for that.

There's a reason why Call of Duty, the biggest videogame franchise in the World, sells 20 Million copies a Year. There's a reason why FIFA sells 10 Million copies a Year. There's a reason why NIntendo are begging 3rd parties to jump on with Wii U and 3DS...

3rd parties are also the reason why the PS3 and 360 have grown Yearly since release and why the Wii is seeing record Yearly drops.