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Forums - Gaming - Ninja Theory on DMC reboot: "we're not pretending we're Japanese, or apologising for it"

AbbathTheGrim on 28 January 2012

I like those angels. :)



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

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Dgc1808 on 28 January 2012

I stopped giving a shit and I like this response. I'm just hoping they get gameplay right and telling by that last trailer I saw, they're fairly off the mark at this point.



4 ≈ One

ishiki on 28 January 2012

I'm not here to join the argument.

I do think the style being an issue is being overblown atleast here.

However, this is a PR battle I don't think ninja theory can win.
I think they should just be quiet. And let the game do the talking. (And if it's good, the majority of complainers will be quiet, and if it sucks... well, then the internet will continue being the echo chamber of negativity :))



A203D on 28 January 2012
Zim said:
A203D said:

DMC1's story isnt over the top. Trish hires out Dante to a mysterious castle, where Dante confronts the hordes of Mundus. its not that ridculous. the orignal never was. the dialogue and the cutscenes arnt over the top either. in fact Dante is pretty cool in the original. you can embed every cutscene from youtube if you must. but the proof is in the pudding. theres nothing that over the top in it at all. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdT8Px-PfoU 

Nothing over the top or ridiculous at all. Allow me to sum up the first cutscene for people:
 Dante is relaxing in his office. A woman wearing sunglasses at night, skintight pants and a corset crashes through the doors of his building. Dante responds ''Woaaahh slow down babe'', he isn't surprised even slightly. He tells her that the toilet is in the back. He then walks up to her with a sword, she grabs it, kicks him across the room and throws the sword into him spearing him to a wall. She uses lightning from her hands on him then she then PICKS UP the motorbike, lifts it over her head and throws it across the room. Dante, who is speared through the chest, whips out dual pistols and manages to keep the bike floating in the air with the bullets. The bike then BURSTS into flames and flies back at the woman. She dodges this and Dante cooly stands up, walks over to her then pulls the sword out of his chest. They then have a discussion in the now burning building. It seems Dante despite clearly having spent a lot of time living in and decorating the place doesn't mind that it is burning though.

None of this is ridiculous or over the top. It is in fact all very serious!..... seriously A203D at what point did you decide to simply lie?

All my points still stand uncontested. Like I said end of discussion ;)

Your reffering to a small part of the cutscene. embed the whole game if you have to. its a bit over the top, but its not ridiculous. the orignal DMC was never that over the top or ridiculous. look at the way Trish and Dante talk to each other. look at how he bleeds when hes hit with the sword. thats the point. in DMC1 Dantes personality was never over the top, at all. the game had a few moments where Dante gets impalled by a sword. but that fits with the tone of the game.

hes not doing some ridiculour stunts on a missile rocket. the point of some of that is to show he is part demon. which is why he cant be killed or die. its not that over the top. it never was. the fact that your trying to force this point tells me you never understood why DMC was inconsistant with each game. besides this is the original Dante, and hes not over the top or ridiculous. unlike the camp cowboy DMC4 Dante. listen to the way he and Trish speak. its not over the top.

and DMC1 was never that over the top. its the tone of the game that Dante is a bad ass. because hes not human. besides you accuse me of evading your points, yet you done the same to the end of insulting DMC1...



S.T.A.G.E. on 28 January 2012
cyberninja45 said:
IMO I prefer the Japanese style over a western style game. A game only needs to be believable within the universe of that said game being believable does not have to mean realistic as in our real life. And Re4 is closest to Re5 in gameplay as both are action oriented and less survival horror


The western version of DMC is believeable for its world. It isnt believable in ours nor as realistic. The only two DMC's that made any sense were one and three. Ive come to grips with the fact that I can barely get any sense out of most Japanese hack n slash games anymore. What western devs need to do is put more hours into the game because right now they are the ones who are pushing graphics, scale, content and more and this is making a lot of these games we loved seem like arcade games. Tecmo is trying to westernize Ninja Gaiden and its hindering the game horribly.



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oniyide on 28 January 2012
Zim said:
A203D said:

i look at DMC4 Dante and i cringe at what Capcom did with him. they westernised his design, the red cowboy boots look ridiculous. and its not cool at all. i was extremely unhappy with the westernised design from DMC4. i'm happy they've given NT a chance to do something more interesting, because the dialogue and the story in that game were borderline nauseating.

the Bayonetta comment... this is actully true, Bayonetta is Japanese. her clothes come off all the time in the game. this female objectification is something you tend to find in a Japanese game. it is ridiculous.

its depressing that developers cant make reasonable comments about things. Tameen hasnt grossly offended those games or fans, he actully said why he dosent like it. and if you look at what he said its not without truth. fans are simply looking for new ways to discredit a developer who actully havent done anything wrong.

and we dont know if Hideki Itsuno or the team at Capcom want to make these games anymore. they made 3 DMC games, they might not want to do it anymore. which is why Itsuno is also directing Dragon's Dogma. it might be because he wants to do something different with his career.

besides i look at every game Capcom have made this console generation, and i dont see DMC5 being anything special after their performance this generation.

My point wasn't that Bayonetta isn't Japanese in style. I was taking issue with using the word 'Japanesey' and his view that Japanese style isn't cool. 

Dante doesn't wear cowboy boots in DMC4 so I'm not sure what game you played. He wears combat styled boots with leather chaps over the top. However even if he did, cowboy style boots were and still are pretty popular in Tokyo/Osaka etc. It's started moving back towards a rounded toe boot for men much like the ones Dante wears in DMC4. I also know quite a few Japanese brands where you could find clothes similar to his style. It really wasn't very Westernised at all. Well unless we want to take a very classical view that wearing jeans etc instead of Yukata is Western, however if that is the case then Dante was never Japanese in style.

I still think Devil May Cry's style is cool. Give me over stylized compared to drab and boring any day. I'm not sure who at Ninja Theory thought wearing a wife beater was cool, perhaps someone who watches Jersey Shore?

Also the main games capcom made this generation and their scores on gamerankings? Dead Rising (85%), Lost Planet (79%), DMC4 (84%), Street Fighter 4 (93%), Marvel Vs Capcom 3 (86%), RE5 (87%).

Games capcom put in the hands of western developers? Bionic Commando (73%) and Dark Void (62%).

Then Dead rising 2 which was given to a Western developer but kept almost everything identical to the Japanese game got 80%. Lost Planet 2 was Capcom saying they were attempting to Westernise their own game, which didn't go so well (70%)! 

So basically every single game they gave to a western developer or tried to westernise turned out very badly. Every game they kept Japanese did well. So you think giving DMC to a western developer to westernise is a good idea? Capcom have been giving games to Western developers or trying to Westernise their games for years now. It always ends badly. This year we will also get to see how RE: Operation Racoon City (Western) does compared to RE6 (Japanese)

THIS, its also the underlining problem with Japanese publishers this gen across the board some worse(Capcom,SE) than others (Ninty, Sega).  For some reason these guys have a hardon for making their games western?? Thats stupid. Thats like entering a Tai chi competition knowing damn well you can only box, makes no sense. Let the damn western devs do their thing and Japan you do your thing, it worked out that well for decades, dont know why they wanna change now. SE took a smart route by acquiring actual western devs, they can have both sides of the globe. FF13 notwithstanding of course. 

OT, this game could be good, but this is NT, there track record has not been great, it hasnt been bad, but not great



Kasz216 on 28 January 2012

Also, while i've really got no problem with Ninja Theory doing what it was told....

did anyone mention the irony in NINJA theory talking about how they AREN'T japanese?



ishiki on 28 January 2012
Kasz216 said:
Also, while i've really got no problem with Ninja Theory doing what it was told....

did anyone mention the irony in NINJA theory talking about how they AREN'T japanese?


no, but that's quite funny now. haha thanks!