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TruckOSaurus said:
Ninja Theory doesn't get Devil May Cry at all. It's supposed to be over the top, filled crazy totally unrealistic fight scenes and Dante is supposed to be an overconfident, irreverent wise-ass.

Its Capcom that dosent get DMC, thats why the DMC series is a cannoncal mess. that why almost every game Capcom has developed this console generation has been mediocure at best.

Dante has changed in each DMC. i trust Ninja Theory because they are interested in creating relatable characters in believable stories. if they can do that for DMC but maintain the action at the same time i will be very happy.

Ninja Theory shouldnt get Dante, theres nothing to get. as you said hes irrelevant. the point is to make this character, this series relevant again. as someone mentioned God of War, that is a somewhat reasonable comparasion. but the story in God of War 3 was so awful, after 5 games an interesting character (Kratos) with more potential has been made irrelevant because of unskilled writers. thats why i'm glad Capcom chose Ninja Theory.

and this information is not new. anyone whoes been paying attention sinceTGS 2010 knows that Capcom chose Ninja Theory for these reasons.



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TruckOSaurus said:
Rainbird said:
TruckOSaurus said:

The way I see it. Dante's hair didn't get white, it was always white.

I haven't played any DMC games outside of DMC4, but I'm guessing that that's an assumption rather than a fact? Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes it's an assumption but he's the son of a demon and a human. That's more than enough for me to explain him having white hair (and the fact that he can have a blade go through him and still be able to fight).

My take on this reboot is that it's not at all related to DMC 1-4, it is not an origin story, their Dante and the one of the other games is not the same character. So even if they screw it all up, it won't affect Dante's characterization in the original games.

All the more reason to go in with an open mind and see what happens. And Dante being the son of a demon and human doesn't explain why he has white hair unless it's explicitly used as a reason for it.

I'm not saying DmC is going to be the best thing ever or even a good game at all. I just think it's silly to think that explaining some characteristic can't lead to a good game. There could be a myriad of reasons for why Dante's hair is the way it is, and Ninja Theory is trying to show players the adventure which leads to it. For all we know, it's going to be one hell of a ride.



M.U.G.E.N said:
Rainbird said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Rainbird said:

I'm guessing they would only tell a story if there is an interesting story to tell. Going with God of War again, the entire basis of the series can be found by asking: "Why is Kratos so pale?". 

eh? no you can't :S and the color was explained as well so I don't think that's a good example

I know there are other things that go into it as well, but the whole vengeance thing was pretty much established with that.

And it's been explained because there was a good game to be had from explaining it. Why couldn't the same be true for dmc? There could be a really cool adventure in the story of how Dante's hair got white.

I don't think the reason behind why he is grey explained the vengeance plot :S wait can you remember why he is grey?

and I'm not disagreeing..small details are important to story telling and I'm on the boat that good solid interesting story PLUS gameplay > mindless story and gameplay

SPOILER!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ares tricked Kratos into attacking the village where his wife and child was seeking refuge and Kratos killed them in a moment of pure bloodrage. He's pale because he was covered by the ashes of his wife and child, and after that we have the first game where he tries to kill Ares.

That's the first time any god really pisses him off.



Rainbird said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Rainbird said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Rainbird said:

I'm guessing they would only tell a story if there is an interesting story to tell. Going with God of War again, the entire basis of the series can be found by asking: "Why is Kratos so pale?". 

eh? no you can't :S and the color was explained as well so I don't think that's a good example

I know there are other things that go into it as well, but the whole vengeance thing was pretty much established with that.

And it's been explained because there was a good game to be had from explaining it. Why couldn't the same be true for dmc? There could be a really cool adventure in the story of how Dante's hair got white.

I don't think the reason behind why he is grey explained the vengeance plot :S wait can you remember why he is grey?

and I'm not disagreeing..small details are important to story telling and I'm on the boat that good solid interesting story PLUS gameplay > mindless story and gameplay

SPOILER!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ares tricked Kratos into attacking the village where his wife and child was seeking refuge and Kratos killed them in a moment of pure bloodrage. He's pale because he was covered by the ashes of his wife and child, and after that we have the first game where he tries to kill Ares.

That's the first time any god really pisses him off.

facepalm aaaaaaaaargh I can't believe I forgot that..I mixed that up with getting ash from Prometheus to gain the titan powers! 'hides head in shame'



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A203D said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Ninja Theory doesn't get Devil May Cry at all. It's supposed to be over the top, filled crazy totally unrealistic fight scenes and Dante is supposed to be an overconfident, irreverent wise-ass.

Its Capcom that dosent get DMC, thats why the DMC series is a cannoncal mess. that why almost every game Capcom has developed this console generation has been mediocure at best.

Dante has changed in each DMC. i trust Ninja Theory because they are interested in creating relatable characters in believable stories. if they can do that for DMC but maintain the action at the same time i will be very happy.

Ninja Theory shouldnt get Dante, theres nothing to get. as you said hes irrelevant. the point is to make this character, this series relevant again. as someone mentioned God of War, that is a somewhat reasonable comparasion. but the story in God of War 3 was so awful, after 5 games an interesting character (Kratos) with more potential has been made irrelevant because of unskilled writers. thats why i'm glad Capcom chose Ninja Theory.

and this information is not new. anyone whoes been paying attention sinceTGS 2010 knows that Capcom chose Ninja Theory for these reasons.

I said Dante was irreverent not irrelevent. There's a big difference.

Also I really don't want the story to DMC to be believable, I want to watch a cutscene and think "That's so impossible but so damn cool!". That's the experience I want to have while playing Devil May Cry and that's why I'm not very enthusiastic about this new game.



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BasilZero said:
Rainbird said:
BasilZero said:

It was always white , even his brother had white hair.

I think their father had white hair too, cant remember a source for it though, something about that hidden costume for Dante in DMC3/Special Edition.

Anyways, this DMC is a reboot, so their re-telling the storyline (which can go bad in so many ways).

Just all the more reason to leave any assumptions behind.

Not really, because this new DMC being a reboot means there are two universes to the DMC series.

They can always go back to the old universe or make a new one altogether similar to what happened to the Tomb Raider series or the Megaman series.

Of course if they go back, all the old stories should hold instead. But in this new universe, I think everyone will have more fun if they go in with an open mind. Ninja Theory was asked to bring a new twist to DMC after all, not make DMC5.



M.U.G.E.N said:

facepalm aaaaaaaaargh I can't believe I forgot that..I mixed that up with getting ash from Prometheus to gain the titan powers! 'hides head in shame'

Now your argument makes more sense.



Rainbird said:

All the more reason to go in with an open mind and see what happens. And Dante being the son of a demon and human doesn't explain why he has white hair unless it's explicitly used as a reason for it.

I'm not saying DmC is going to be the best thing ever or even a good game at all. I just think it's silly to think that explaining some characteristic can't lead to a good game. There could be a myriad of reasons for why Dante's hair is the way it is, and Ninja Theory is trying to show players the adventure which leads to it. For all we know, it's going to be one hell of a ride.

Explaining that characteristic doesn't automatically make the plot bad but considering that Virgil (Dante's twin brother) also has white hair, they'll gonna have to get creative to find a way that both brothers ended up changing hair color during their adult life.

In any case, Dante's hair color isn't my main problem here. It's that what they discard as being "Japanese" is the whole reason I love the franchise. Like Zim said, they should have just made a new IP.



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BasilZero said:
Rainbird said:

Of course if they go back, all the old stories should hold instead. But in this new universe, I think everyone will have more fun if they go in with an open mind. Ninja Theory was asked to bring a new twist to DMC after all, not make DMC5.

Yep, I just hope they dont kill it, I honestly didnt like their last big named game they made: Heavenly Sword ;x.

Hopefully they can retain the same classic gameplay style of 1/2/3 with a few new additions/changes rather than making it new altogether. I dont mind a reboot to the storyline to be honest, more worried about the gameplay xD

Cross your fingers and hope for the best.



TruckOSaurus said:
Rainbird said:

All the more reason to go in with an open mind and see what happens. And Dante being the son of a demon and human doesn't explain why he has white hair unless it's explicitly used as a reason for it.

I'm not saying DmC is going to be the best thing ever or even a good game at all. I just think it's silly to think that explaining some characteristic can't lead to a good game. There could be a myriad of reasons for why Dante's hair is the way it is, and Ninja Theory is trying to show players the adventure which leads to it. For all we know, it's going to be one hell of a ride.

Explaining that characteristic doesn't automatically make the plot bad but considering that Virgil (Dante's twin brother) also has white hair, they'll gonna have to get creative to find a way that both brothers ended up changing hair color during their adult life.

In any case, Dante's hair color isn't my main problem here. It's that what they discard as being "Japanese" is the whole reason I love the franchise. Like Zim said, they should have just made a new IP.

There's no reason to blame Ninja Theory for DmC then, Capcom were the ones who wanted a new take on Devil May Cry after all.