By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales Discussion - Media Create Sales 1/9 ~ 1/15

flagstaad said:
happydolphin said:

That's why it's lame to judge consoles so soon. They did it for the 3DS, they did it for the Wii, they did it for the DS, and now they're doing it for the Vita... I find it's as if some users don't learn from the past. :S

They don't learn because is not the same group of people. 8 months ago it was the Sony crowd telling the Nintendo group that the 3DS was doomed and that the Vita will destroy the console very fast because it had a great launch line-up and excellent graphics. Now is the revenge of the Nintendo crowd as the Vita is doing even worse that the 3DS, most of them may even KNOW that the console is not doomed/dead, but they still want some kind of retaliation as they were suffering less than a year ago.

You summed it up pretty well. Just do what I do now. Sit back, relax and and play both devices (given I won't be getting vita on launch....money issues and maybe at the end of the year.....)



 

Around the Network
kowenicki said:
psrock said:
kowenicki said:
psrock said:
So far consoles we have killed at some point in Japan.

360: Still dead
PS3: Dead for a couple year than back to life
PSP: DIED than saved by some Monster Hunter
3DS: DIED than games saved it, although most forget
Wii: alive but drunk
DS: NEVER DEAD.
PS2: EVOLUTION


Ever thought about posting something informative or constructive? Why not give us your take on vita, perhaps how you see it panning out over the next 6 and 12 months?

You didn't find it funny huh. 

Anyway, yeah the Vita is in trouble, not because of the price, not because of those criminal memory cards, they are in trouble because unlike the PS3, PSP, we knew big games were coming evntually. This one has giving us no games to look foward to. The 3ds has all the big franchises under its wings. That's crazy. It's really up to sony to pony up some cash and get some 3rd party support. 


I agree with that, though I do think the price in Europe will be prohibitive. Its strange though because all I kept hearing was how amazing the launch and soon to come games list was. 

The line-up is amazing. It just has no killer apps that cater to the Japanese gamer.

Uncharted Golden Abyss will do well in America and EU put its far from a killer-app.



Acevil said:
flagstaad said:
happydolphin said:

That's why it's lame to judge consoles so soon. They did it for the 3DS, they did it for the Wii, they did it for the DS, and now they're doing it for the Vita... I find it's as if some users don't learn from the past. :S

They don't learn because is not the same group of people. 8 months ago it was the Sony crowd telling the Nintendo group that the 3DS was doomed and that the Vita will destroy the console very fast because it had a great launch line-up and excellent graphics. Now is the revenge of the Nintendo crowd as the Vita is doing even worse that the 3DS, most of them may even KNOW that the console is not doomed/dead, but they still want some kind of retaliation as they were suffering less than a year ago.

You summed it up pretty well. Just do what I do now. Sit back, relax and and play both devices (given I won't be getting vita on launch....money issues and maybe at the end of the year.....)

Meh, he summed it up good, but it's a sad reality of the site. Did it occur to you I was aware of what he was saying? I was just saying it was lame...



happydolphin said:
Acevil said:
flagstaad said:
happydolphin said:

That's why it's lame to judge consoles so soon. They did it for the 3DS, they did it for the Wii, they did it for the DS, and now they're doing it for the Vita... I find it's as if some users don't learn from the past. :S

They don't learn because is not the same group of people. 8 months ago it was the Sony crowd telling the Nintendo group that the 3DS was doomed and that the Vita will destroy the console very fast because it had a great launch line-up and excellent graphics. Now is the revenge of the Nintendo crowd as the Vita is doing even worse that the 3DS, most of them may even KNOW that the console is not doomed/dead, but they still want some kind of retaliation as they were suffering less than a year ago.

You summed it up pretty well. Just do what I do now. Sit back, relax and and play both devices (given I won't be getting vita on launch....money issues and maybe at the end of the year.....)

Meh, he summed it up good, but it's a sad reality of the site. Did it occur to you I was aware of what he was saying? I was just saying it was lame...


I learned with dealing with depressing Nintendo fans and few attacking sony fans last year, you can't do much.

Now I find all entertaining since I no longer care what is doomed, what is sucessful, as long as games come to me, and I enjoy the device. 



 

happydolphin said:

Meh, he summed it up good, but it's a sad reality of the site. Did it occur to you I was aware of what he was saying? I was just saying it was lame...

It is not a problem of the site, is part of human nature. When someone does something bad to you, you want them to suffer at least part of the pain you felt, you want them to receive some kind of punishment. Like when someone stole from you, you want them to go to jail to remember them that there are consequences, you don't just forget and move on (you do but not fast enough). You can do it but is not as easy as it sound because is part of our education.

In this case the wound is still too fresh and people remember, if more time had passed, less people would have fall into the behavior you think is lame.



Around the Network
happydolphin said:
flagstaad said:
happydolphin said:

That's why it's lame to judge consoles so soon. They did it for the 3DS, they did it for the Wii, they did it for the DS, and now they're doing it for the Vita... I find it's as if some users don't learn from the past. :S

They don't learn because is not the same group of people. 8 months ago it was the Sony crowd telling the Nintendo group that the 3DS was doomed and that the Vita will destroy the console very fast because it had a great launch line-up and excellent graphics. Now is the revenge of the Nintendo crowd as the Vita is doing even worse that the 3DS, most of them may even KNOW that the console is not doomed/dead, but they still want some kind of retaliation as they were suffering less than a year ago.

I don't get how the Nintendo crowd, how unenjoyable that bashing was, would want to feed it back to the Sony crowd... it beats me. Plus, many of us own Sony consoles, so... :S

Add to that some will be bitting their tongues when the Vita dusts off, and there you have it.

Bring back predictions, fine. But trolling per se is lame...


I am aware that you are just saying that it might still explode, but just like there are people who are convinced that the Vita is still going to have a sales explosion, there are also people who believe it wont. Just see it as predictions from these people and dont put so much wait in it. I can easily understand why some people think it wont sell well at any point aswell as people who still say it's sales are going to explode at some point. I myself think it also still to early to predict such things, but most people have  opinions or see something that they think is happening now or will happen. Just let them be.

Frankly I find people like you to be far more annoying. Sometimes it's fun to not  take the moderate, reasonable side and just go with it. Can you imagen how horribly boring it would be if everybody was reasonable in these kinds of threads??? To me these threads would be excrutiatingly boring without the melddowns and fanboys.



SleepWaking said:
happydolphin said:
flagstaad said:
happydolphin said:

That's why it's lame to judge consoles so soon. They did it for the 3DS, they did it for the Wii, they did it for the DS, and now they're doing it for the Vita... I find it's as if some users don't learn from the past. :S

They don't learn because is not the same group of people. 8 months ago it was the Sony crowd telling the Nintendo group that the 3DS was doomed and that the Vita will destroy the console very fast because it had a great launch line-up and excellent graphics. Now is the revenge of the Nintendo crowd as the Vita is doing even worse that the 3DS, most of them may even KNOW that the console is not doomed/dead, but they still want some kind of retaliation as they were suffering less than a year ago.

I don't get how the Nintendo crowd, how unenjoyable that bashing was, would want to feed it back to the Sony crowd... it beats me. Plus, many of us own Sony consoles, so... :S

Add to that some will be bitting their tongues when the Vita dusts off, and there you have it.

Bring back predictions, fine. But trolling per se is lame...


I am aware that you are just saying that it might still explode, but just like there are people who are convinced that the Vita is still going to have a sales explosion, there are also people who believe it wont. Just see it as predictions from these people and dont put so much wait in it. I can easily understand why some people think it wont sell well at any point aswell as people who still say it's sales are going to explode at some point. I myself think it also still to early to predict such things, but most people have  opinions or see something that they think is happening now or will happen. Just let them be.

Frankly I find people like you to be far more annoying. Sometimes it's fun to not  take the moderate, reasonable side and just go with it. Can you imagen how horribly boring it would be if everybody was reasonable in these kinds of threads??? To me these threads would be excrutiatingly boring without the melddowns and fanboys.

God I am having trouble wording my thoughts and opinions today, but this part sums up what I meant by entertaining. In previous comment. Given I am not picking defined side (since I like both products), I am just relaxing and watching the fireworks and enjoying my products. 

Edit: Just editing my comment slightly, also unbolded a section of the paragraph. 



 

RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:

Meh, he summed it up good, but it's a sad reality of the site. Did it occur to you I was aware of what he was saying? I was just saying it was lame...

Who's to say that users don't learn? The lesson from past years is "enjoy while it lasts".

So if we are looking at a situation where dedicated gaming handhelds are apparently in a battle with smartphones and hardcore gamers need to sell the current machines (3DS, Vita) as much as possible to stop Apple and others, then maybe now is the time that Sony plays the role of the wounded soldier on the battlefield who tells his buddy Nintendo to leave him behind, because otherwise they will both die.

It's a possibility, but wouldn't you want the same had you been in their shoes? :P

@Sleepwaking You remind me of the nice crow in Galaki's thread. Good stuff ;/) I didn't realize this site was for watching people troll each other, I thought it was for debating business. Give yourself a pat on the back. ;)



BasilZero said:
Acevil said:
happydolphin said:

Meh, he summed it up good, but it's a sad reality of the site. Did it occur to you I was aware of what he was saying? I was just saying it was lame...


I learned with dealing with depressing Nintendo fans and few attacking sony fans last year, you can't do much.

Now I find all entertaining since I no longer care what is doomed, what is sucessful, as long as games come to me, and I enjoy the device. 


Amen to this man, wish more people were like this.


To be fair, that would be boring. You only need to have few people like myself. These threads wouldn't reach 100posts if you had everyone be somewhat neutral. 

Add: Note that I consider myself somewhat neutral, you can't be completely neutral, unless you have like zero interest in the product or you are trying really hard to hold back bias. 



 

happydolphin said:
RolStoppable said:
happydolphin said:

Meh, he summed it up good, but it's a sad reality of the site. Did it occur to you I was aware of what he was saying? I was just saying it was lame...

Who's to say that users don't learn? The lesson from past years is "enjoy while it lasts".

So if we are looking at a situation where dedicated gaming handhelds are apparently in a battle with smartphones and hardcore gamers need to sell the current machines (3DS, Vita) as much as possible to stop Apple and others, then maybe now is the time that Sony plays the role of the wounded soldier on the battlefield who tells his buddy Nintendo to leave him behind, because otherwise they will both die.

It's a possibility, but wouldn't you want the same had you been in their shoes? :P

@Sleepwaking You remind me of the nice crow in Galaki's thread. Good stuff ;/) I didn't realize this site was for watching people troll each other, I thought it was for debating business. Give yourself a pat on the back. ;).

Hey I enjoy sales numbers, but I also enjoy other things which a threads like this brings.  At least I'm not being al mighty and high as to what others can't and shouldn't enjoy. Just like I said let them be. Why would it hurt you if somebody is saying a console is dead??