Valid points.

On the first bolded point, this is very true. Wii Sports Resort is a very good game, imo, but it was made to lift the Wii off the ground. Perhaps this may change with the Wii U though, as I believe that controller is just too good.

I especially agree with the last part.  I know for certain that when the Wii U was revealed last E3, my hype level went from 100 to 0 in a second and I was probably the most confused person at the moment. Another thing is, this whole gaming industry is a system. Wii U is probably the smartest idea since, 3D graphics were revealed, but something like that can be ruined because of a name is just so dumb. I still prefer Cafe...

I'm gonna go ahead and answer the question now and say, no. Now that I think about it, the Wii is not a success. It outsold the competition, so what? It did NOT live up to it''s FULL POTENTIAL. If it did, we may well see 120+ million units sold units, similar to the PS2. Wii catered mostly to the casual, but where are the hardcore games?

Define...success.

I would say so. It grabbed the motion controller gig and ran with it and capitalized on the huge market of the casual gamers, who we can assume that most of the younger casual gamers will grow to become core gamers. Wii U is suppose to be a more mature gaming console than the Wii so as their fanbase grows (in age), so will their games.

To stay on topic and keep it simple, it was a big success, no denying.

Ingenious. I never saw it that way. Nintendo is trying to follow the greater Wii market (children and their respective families) with a follow up. Awesome point.

Well, too be fair. Is that really Ninty's fault? Its not like they JUST made Wiithis and that. They did also make games that were more traditional of what they usually did. Metriod Prime 3, the Marios, DKCR, S&P2 etc. Yeah im still baffled that with didnt see a proper followup to Mario Golf or Tennis, but hell. Look how long Metroid went without a console release. And you can blame them for maybe pushing the whole "casual" thing to the forefront, but it wasnt like they could push the hardcore thing. WIth what?? How could they mess with SOny or MS in that category?? Their online was and is still much worse than the other two and the hardware is much weaker than the other two and the "hardcore" library is weaker. With that competition I think NOT targeting the hardcore was smart. If you cant beat em, do something else.

Even if you were to blame 3rd parties, and even if 3rd parties put gimped versions of whatever game Wii fans call foul about. It would still not sell or be as good as the HD version, because people would know its the worst one.

Gotta disagree, if anything most of the casual owners of Wii are your grandmas, soccer moms, generally people who are not into gaming that much. (look at JD games). The thing is those people have not and will not give a crap about these mature games. ANd im sure the children, already have a PS360 to play those Batmans, GTAs what have you. PUt is this way. I grew up playing a Genesis, but there were no motion controllers to "grab me" and I grew to be a "core" gamer. Why woud this gen be different?

Well, that certainly could be the case, especially with the older casual gamers (which I completely ignored for that very reason) but I'm sure Nintendo didn't set out to make a console which was that forgetable. I really meant those kids around the age of 8 ~ 11, who in my opinion should not be playing GTAs or Batman to begin with. Also not every parent has the money to drop on two consoles. Hell, my parents did not gift me and siblings a console this gen. I actually got my PS3 in 2009 with my own money when I got a job. They were not entitled to buy it for us but it was something we really really wanted. Still, I never complained cause they had bought us a PS2 which was still up an running so I personally believe it's more of a rare case that a parent will buy two consoles (one for core games and one for casual games) than young Wii gamers becoming core gamers. I mean the Wii is economic, durable and has a lot of value to it and chances are that all the games bought weren't all shovelware (with some exceptions within the casual gamer demographic.) Motion controls were a means to grab tha casual audience because at the end of the day, most casual gamers don't give a crap about the line up of an upcoming console. They don't do the reasearch, other than maybe parents looking out for violent video games.

Let me rephrase that statement; "we can assume that a good amount of the younger casual gamers will grow to become core gamers"

Interesting.  It doesn't look like Nintendo is running in the red at all.

what is more interesting is that gamecube with 25million sales vs ps2 140million has made more profit.

So GCN more successful than ps2? fiinancially that is