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Forums - Sales Discussion - Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft - 1981 to 2011 gaming division profits chart

jason1637 on 30 November 2015
lightofhonor said:

Updated!

FY END SONY NINTENDO MICROSOFT
1981   $19,998,400  
1982   $95,802,440  
1983   $84,221,280  
1984   $71,057,070  
1985   $83,218,020  
1986   $225,388,440  
1987   $302,068,800  
1988   $369,383,560  
1989   $483,794,640  
1990   $448,355,840  
1991   $981,947,680  
1992   $1,109,515,840  
1993   $1,279,146,880  
1994   $962,438,080  
1995   $957,146,400  
1996 ($93,491,480) $752,481,940  
1997 $508,270,950 $579,934,080  
1998 $954,197,760 $1,024,464,480  
1999 $1,073,609,660 $1,228,994,940  
2000 $693,184,350 $1,306,720,300 ($1,090,000,000)
2001 ($463,129,080) $767,354,820 ($1,666,000,000)
2002 $664,149,150 $954,399,510 ($866,000,000)
2003 $924,881,130 $821,985,200 ($938,000,000)
2004 $599,416,860 $955,148,210 ($1,011,000,000)
2005 $402,344,400 $1,039,385,040 ($464,000,000)
2006 $77,419,800 $799,588,650 ($1,329,000,000)
2007 ($1,988,702,000) $1,934,765,440 ($2,016,000,000)
2008 ($1,092,978,300) $4,277,791,600 $426,000,000
2009 ($584,760,000) $5,552,630,000 $169,000,000
2010 ($890,000,000) $2,450,000,000 $679,000,000
2011 $429,000,000 $946,000,000 $1,324,000,000
2012 $354,907,870 ($434,500,000) $364,000,000
2013 $22,092,255 $71,400,000 $848,000,000
2014 ($78,000,000) ($229,000,000) $893,000,000
2015 $401,000,000 $207,830,000 $1,788,000,000
Total: $1,913,413,325 $32,480,857,580

($2,889,000,000)

Some Thoughts:

In the past decade, 06-15, Sony lost$3.3B, Nintendo made $15.5B, and MSFT made $3.1B

The PS3 years (06-13) lost $3.6B, 360 years (05-13) made $1M, and Wii years made $15.5B


It seems the Nintendo will make more money on the Wii U than sony did on the ps3. Also I could see Nintendo making of fro their losses in 2014 this year due to the holidays.



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jason1637 on 30 November 2015
the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:


PS4 wasnt out in 2011

Check the new post with 2014.


Oh didnt see that



Zappykins on 30 November 2015

Question on the Microsoft part - is this just the Xbox division?  Because Microsoft has been making games since at least the early 80's.  Even Gates himself coded a little car game.

Plus they  made some really good Flight Sims, Age of, and other games.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
Sticky on 30 November 2015
Fei-Hung said:
Hard to believe Sony made less money in gaming than MS since the launch of PS4.

Are the MS figures just gaming division or do they include other stuff? As it is, it looks like MS selling less hardware and software still has them performing better financially.


We have absolutely no clue how much Xbox alone made because microsoft lumps it with Surface which as far as i know is profitable. 

So you can't really compare MS numbers 



Wraet on 30 November 2015

This is silly. The Sony numbers include all consumer products in some years. So no doubt tv's, laptops, phone etc.

 

Wasn't the $2.8B loss in 2012 also with restructuring those divisions, and the TV business or something else being seperated into it's own entity?

 

Unless they all release figures just for the gaming divisions then it's not worth comparing.



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Teeqoz on 30 November 2015
lightofhonor said:

Updated!

FY END SONY NINTENDO MICROSOFT
1981   $19,998,400  
1982   $95,802,440  
1983   $84,221,280  
1984   $71,057,070  
1985   $83,218,020  
1986   $225,388,440  
1987   $302,068,800  
1988   $369,383,560  
1989   $483,794,640  
1990   $448,355,840  
1991   $981,947,680  
1992   $1,109,515,840  
1993   $1,279,146,880  
1994   $962,438,080  
1995   $957,146,400  
1996 ($93,491,480) $752,481,940  
1997 $508,270,950 $579,934,080  
1998 $954,197,760 $1,024,464,480  
1999 $1,073,609,660 $1,228,994,940  
2000 $693,184,350 $1,306,720,300 ($1,090,000,000)
2001 ($463,129,080) $767,354,820 ($1,666,000,000)
2002 $664,149,150 $954,399,510 ($866,000,000)
2003 $924,881,130 $821,985,200 ($938,000,000)
2004 $599,416,860 $955,148,210 ($1,011,000,000)
2005 $402,344,400 $1,039,385,040 ($464,000,000)
2006 $77,419,800 $799,588,650 ($1,329,000,000)
2007 ($1,988,702,000) $1,934,765,440 ($2,016,000,000)
2008 ($1,092,978,300) $4,277,791,600 $426,000,000
2009 ($584,760,000) $5,552,630,000 $169,000,000
2010 ($890,000,000) $2,450,000,000 $679,000,000
2011 $429,000,000 $946,000,000 $1,324,000,000
2012 $354,907,870 ($434,500,000) $364,000,000
2013 $22,092,255 $71,400,000 $848,000,000
2014 ($78,000,000) ($229,000,000) $893,000,000
2015 $401,000,000 $207,830,000 $1,788,000,000
Total: $1,913,413,325 $32,480,857,580

($2,889,000,000)

Some Thoughts:

In the past decade, 06-15, Sony lost$3.3B, Nintendo made $15.5B, and MSFT made $3.1B

The PS3 years (06-13) lost $3.6B, 360 years (05-13) made $1M, and Wii years made $15.5B


At least your Sony numbers have the wrong years. Sony's fiscal year 2015 isn't over yet, and neither is the calendar year, so either way you look at it, your system doesn't make any sense.

Couple that with the fact that these numbers aren't only gaming segment. In the case of Sony for their Fiscal Years (And I'm talking Sony's actual Fiscal Years) 2008 and 2009, while for Microsoft, at least the later years (lol at that 1.8 billion in 2015). This comparison is just flawed to begin with.



POE on 30 November 2015
lightofhonor said:

Updated!

FY END SONY NINTENDO MICROSOFT
1981   $19,998,400  
1982   $95,802,440  
1983   $84,221,280  
1984   $71,057,070  
1985   $83,218,020  
1986   $225,388,440  
1987   $302,068,800  
1988   $369,383,560  
1989   $483,794,640  
1990   $448,355,840  
1991   $981,947,680  
1992   $1,109,515,840  
1993   $1,279,146,880  
1994   $962,438,080  
1995   $957,146,400  
1996 ($93,491,480) $752,481,940  
1997 $508,270,950 $579,934,080  
1998 $954,197,760 $1,024,464,480  
1999 $1,073,609,660 $1,228,994,940  
2000 $693,184,350 $1,306,720,300 ($1,090,000,000)
2001 ($463,129,080) $767,354,820 ($1,666,000,000)
2002 $664,149,150 $954,399,510 ($866,000,000)
2003 $924,881,130 $821,985,200 ($938,000,000)
2004 $599,416,860 $955,148,210 ($1,011,000,000)
2005 $402,344,400 $1,039,385,040 ($464,000,000)
2006 $77,419,800 $799,588,650 ($1,329,000,000)
2007 ($1,988,702,000) $1,934,765,440 ($2,016,000,000)
2008 ($1,092,978,300) $4,277,791,600 $426,000,000
2009 ($584,760,000) $5,552,630,000 $169,000,000
2010 ($890,000,000) $2,450,000,000 $679,000,000
2011 $429,000,000 $946,000,000 $1,324,000,000
2012 $354,907,870 ($434,500,000) $364,000,000
2013 $22,092,255 $71,400,000 $848,000,000
2014 ($78,000,000) ($229,000,000) $893,000,000
2015 $401,000,000 $207,830,000 $1,788,000,000
Total: $1,913,413,325 $32,480,857,580

($2,889,000,000)

Some Thoughts:

In the past decade, 06-15, Sony lost$3.3B, Nintendo made $15.5B, and MSFT made $3.1B

The PS3 years (06-13) lost $3.6B, 360 years (05-13) made $1M, and Wii years made $15.5B


How can this be? I mean 2015 isnt over yet. Can you explain?



jonhalo on 30 November 2015
Sticky said:
Fei-Hung said:
Hard to believe Sony made less money in gaming than MS since the launch of PS4.

Are the MS figures just gaming division or do they include other stuff? As it is, it looks like MS selling less hardware and software still has them performing better financially.


We have absolutely no clue how much Xbox alone made because microsoft lumps it with Surface which as far as i know is profitable. 

So you can't really compare MS numbers 


the fist profitable surface quarter was holiday 2014
also the xbox divison does not include the first party and xbox live revenue (at least not until they changed the reporting this september)

red the q10 files submitted to the sec. there are breakdowns.
we know the gross maring for the xbox platform each year.
just not the operating profit, because ms account theire marketing and research expense company wide not in the division (this changed in september, too)

sony and nintendo data is easy to find in theire earning reports.
and yes. sony made the least money while selling the most. kind of weird, but marketshare =/profits



jason1637 on 30 November 2015
the-pi-guy said:
Wraet said:

This is silly. The Sony numbers include all consumer products in some years. So no doubt tv's, laptops, phone etc.

Wasn't the $2.8B loss in 2012 also with restructuring those divisions, and the TV business or something else being seperated into it's own entity?

Unless they all release figures just for the gaming divisions then it's not worth comparing.

 

They usually do.

 

jason1637 said:


It seems the Nintendo will make more money on the Wii U than sony did on the ps3. Also I could see Nintendo making of fro their losses in 2014 this year due to the holidays.

That's kind of expected.  Nintendo usually prices their systems to make money.  Sony priced their PS3, at a price that was vastly under what it cost to manufacture.  

The 60GB version cost 850$ and they sold it for 600$, the 20GB version cost 800$ and they sold it for 500$.  That's 250/300$ loss per system.  


How much did the wii are 360 cost to make?



jason1637 on 30 November 2015
the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:


How much did the wii are 360 cost to make?

The PS3 launched at a time, when Blu Ray players were sold for 1000$ without any gaming features. 

The blu-ray, plus some chips were very expensive. 

The Wii on the other hand, used familiar parts.  The optical drive was the same as the Gamecube only full sized.  Much of the console was Gamecube-ish.  

Certainly under 250$, but the article I found suggests 158$, which makes sense I think.  

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/15/wii-manufacturing-costs-ring-up-to-just-158/

No idea on 360.


And when the wii launched it was sold for $250 so if it was made with the price $158 i could see why Nintendo made so much.