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kickazz113 said:
DeadNotSleeping said:
kickazz113 said:
killeryoshis said:
kickazz113 said:
killeryoshis said:
kickazz113 said:

if popularity equal quality then justin bieber will be the best singer ever

Oh you read the whole post already? and came up with that? Here answer this question correctly and you win

If the people who spend their money on a product doesn't determine quality. Who does?


ok so wii sport outsold halo 3 and that mean wii sport is a better quality game??? hate to say this but u need to get ur eye fix


Nice example  use a game that is bundled with the console. Now pick a game that's not bundled with the console. 

ok mario bro, that isnt in a bundle and still outsell quality game like uncharted 2, god of war etc


God of War and Uncharted 2 have succeeded in entertaining you.  So your subjective opinion is that they are better.  However, they have failed to entertain as many people as Mario, ergo Mario is objectively better.  Personally, I liked Uncharted 2 better, but that's just me.  I'm a little outnumbered on this planet.


so ur saying mario is better than games like gear of war, halo, uncharted???? wow do you know the term of quality??? uncharted 2 won soo many award why??? quality!!! quality is base on the games its story, gameplay, grpahic mutiplayer etc....

I don't think you know what I'm saying anymore.



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ishiki said:

quality in a game is subjective.

but.
if you buy something, it doesn't mean it will entertain you.
It doesn't mean that it's the best to anyone. Maybe at most, it is acceptable to the most people.

 It means you think it will entertain you, you don't know if it will or not when you buy a movie/game etc. So, a better argument would be that the sales is how many people think that that game will be fun enough to justify the cost. Which is popularity.

So you are saying quality = polularity?


Popularity cannot be measured objectively, profit is the closest measuring stick and by following sales trends, popularity can be inferred (but not measured).  The two are connected and I'm not saying Quality=Popularity is wrong, there's just a lack of numbers to back it up.  In the end, if you purchase a game, and it is objectively terrible, it won't sell for long and will be quickly forgotten or bitterly remembered.  However, if it is subjectively terrible, it may continue to sell and gain its own following as it's subjectively good as well.  Once it breaches a certain threshold, it can be recognized as objectively good no matter how an individual feels about it.



RolStoppable said:
wfz said:
McDonalds vs any super high end restaurant.

Sales = quality of food?

Sales = quality of the job that customers need to be done. I think that is a more accurate equation.

If the job that needs to be done is fast food, then the question isn't McDonald's or any super high end restaurant. Rather it's McDonald's vs. Burger King, for example. McDonald's sells more than Burger King, because McDonald's fast food is of higher quality.

The kind of consumers you're selling to really depends on the type of food you sell.

 

The kind of consumers you're selling to really depends on the type of game you make. Angry Birds is not supposed to be the same type of game that Skyward Sword is supposed to be. Just like fast food isn't supposed to substitute and be what fine-dining is supposed to be.

All comparisons have their limitations, so you can nit-pick it all you want, but do you honestly disagree with this sentiment?



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You don't account for the human instinct of following others (that's why fads happen), the fact that in order to purchase a quality game you need to know about it, etc.

Also, quality is subjective and sales objective, so they are not comparable.

Games with big sales are more efficient, not with better quality, as that is up to each individual to decide. And indeed sometimes a majority of individuals think that a game is of very high quality while selling poorly or of very low while selling well. So it is entirely possible a majority will buy a game and a majority will deem it as of low quality.



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RolStoppable said:
wfz said:
McDonalds vs any super high end restaurant.

Sales = quality of food?

Sales = quality of the job that customers need to be done. I think that is a more accurate equation.

If the job that needs to be done is fast food, then the question isn't McDonald's or any super high end restaurant. Rather it's McDonald's vs. Burger King, for example. McDonald's sells more than Burger King, because McDonald's fast food is of higher quality.

I am fairly sure that McDonalds v BK doesn't show up as quality so much as quality in marketing and/or monopolization of geographical areas.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

RolStoppable said:
wfz said:
RolStoppable said:
wfz said:
McDonalds vs any super high end restaurant.

Sales = quality of food?

Sales = quality of the job that customers need to be done. I think that is a more accurate equation.

If the job that needs to be done is fast food, then the question isn't McDonald's or any super high end restaurant. Rather it's McDonald's vs. Burger King, for example. McDonald's sells more than Burger King, because McDonald's fast food is of higher quality.

The kind of consumers you're selling to really depends on the type of food you sell.

 

The kind of consumers you're selling to really depends on the type of game you make. Angry Birds is not supposed to be the same type of game that Skyward Sword is supposed to be. Just like fast food isn't supposed to substitute and be what fine-dining is supposed to be.

All comparisons have their limitations, so you can nit-pick it all you want, but do you honestly disagree with this sentiment?

Isn't that the same thing I just said?

Alright, so that was the point I was trying to make in my original post. Sales don't absolutely equal quality, it depends on the product type and the consumers you're going after.

Similar products competing for the same consumers will give a valid comparison showing sales, that I agree with. Sorry, it just confused me when you quoted me because it felt like you disagreed with my premise.



For the most part I agree that sales are the same as being high quality, but that the areas that high selling products demonstrate their quality may not be what people want to be rewarded ...

McDonalds fails to be high quality when you judge it against the standard of pretentious restaurants, but how many restaurants can deliver comparable quality and consistency of food at a similar price to McDonalds while handling the volume of customers the typical McDonalds can?

When you stop looking down at the world for choosing something you believe is low quality, and start looking for the high quality elements in success, you will start to see people's choices in a different light. If you were so motivated, you could potentially use this knowlege to improve products you believe are more worthy of success.



HappySqurriel said:
For the most part I agree that sales are the same as being high quality, but that the areas that high selling products demonstrate their quality may not be what people want to be rewarded ...

McDonalds fails to be high quality when you judge it against the standard of pretentious restaurants, but how many restaurants can deliver comparable quality and consistency of food at a similar price to McDonalds while handling the volume of customers the typical McDonalds can?

When you stop looking down at the world for choosing something you believe is low quality, and start looking for the high quality elements in success, you will start to see people's choices in a different light. If you were so motivated, you could potentially use this knowlege to improve products you believe are more worthy of success.


So you are saying we need more glittery vampires and downright braindead romances in our books/movies?

When it comes to entertainment it's very simple to make something successful, and as I already poitned out you just need to appeal to the lowest common denominator in some way. However that appeal to the lcd is what reduces the quality itself, hence what you are saying just simply can't happen.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:

Do you know what servicing the least common denominator means?

You are also wrong. For example, Shakespear isn't considered good by many. Many are told he is good but are just too fucking dumb to understand why it's good. It's an idea propagated by the people of higher intelligence down to the idiots of society. It's worked pretty well too, as you can see.

Edit: It's taken many years to get the idae of Shakespeare = pretty decent down to the dumbest idiot in society.

If your goal is to entertain the greatest amount of people, they you go with the dumbest, most idiotic, most basic, ideas you can get. Inherently that means the quality is also pretty shitty. There are a few, very few, examples of something that is considered great because it's approachable by idiots, but also deep enough for more intellectual people, but those examples are few and far between.

Pretty much this.

Farts are also entertaining, does that mean that one man farting into a microphone on stage with 100.000 spectators who all start laughing is of better quality than a Metallica concert with 50.000 people going nuts in the it?

Also, Harry Potter must be the best books ever written. Actually, scratch that; the bible is the best quality book ever written since it sold the most.