"A lot of games were planned for release from third parties which apparently got canceled this month" - at least based on the list of games I read in the thread with that subject matter, "apparently" is the correct word to use in such a phrase.
That list was a combination of: minor games such as get canceled all the time, games that were never actually planned according to the developer (Saints Row), and games that got canceled for reasons having nothing to do with 3DS (Hudson games, which make up a lot from that list, and I believe Megaman, which was a project pushed by that guy that left and so when he left it was axed). And those that were canceled were actually canceled at different time periods, it's just the article that lumped them all together made them sound as though they were all canceled in the same time period as some sort of reaction.

Joelcool7 said: oniyide said: Cry me a river!!! So the price for 3DS got slashed a lot, so what?? THats a good thing, that means the people who were holding off on buying it will now do so. So some stocks went down, tough tittie, i dont have any stocks in Ninty, sucks for people that do. THats the way it goes Umm yah its very sad, no 3DS price dropping is not a good thing for all of us who purchased it day one. The Ambassador program barely benefits me I would rather have my 80$ back thank you.It also means alot less profit for Nintendo infact a loss, so that means Nintendo has less money to invest in R&D and software which means less games! Thats bad for everyone! As for the stocks and investors, they keep Nintendo alive without those stocks and investors Nintendo could die. Sure you may think so some stocks went down , big deal. It is a huge deal if WiiU doesn't sell well and investors drop the stocks lower the company could die or be taken over by another company. I know your not the biggest Nintendo fan. But a bad thing for Nintendo is bad for the entire industry and all those who game in it. Nintendo is the industry, without Nintendo their possibly wouldn't be a games industry. They are the life blood of the entire industry it is them who brought the world through the great gaming crash, it is them who brought Sony into the industry, they brought us 3D, they brought us analog sticks they brought us.... they are the reason the industry is alive. Nintendo is sacred, no little booh-hoo, you should show them some respect. Nintendo is the best gaming company in existance and them going down is a very sad day for the entire industry. Sure they haven't bit the dust but this loss should be mourned by all. If Nintendo bit the dust it would be 10x more tragic then the loss of Atari and Sega combined. Its a sad month for all Nintendo fans!

SO if Ninty were to go down you think video games would just stop?? Get real, dude. MS, Apple, Sony would still make their PSs, Xboxs and Iphones. Your giving Ninty Way to much credit. Look, i dont hate Ninty, i have loved every console/portable they have made with the exception of Wii & VB, for the same reasons ayou listed. You purchased a 3DS day one?? Whose fault is that?? No one told you to do that. Yeah that sucks for you and the couple of thousands of people but for all the million potential buyers this is great. I know im thrilled thats 80 bucks i dont have to spend. As a rule of thumb i never buy a console at launch for just this reason. 

Best company in all of existence?? Maybe to you and some others but not everyone feels that way. I get that your madly in love with Ninty, but you need to pump your brakes a bit, i dont think its healthy for someone to be that attached to a game company, of all things. I was like that with Sega, its not cute. 

oniyide said: Joelcool7 said: oniyide said: Cry me a river!!! So the price for 3DS got slashed a lot, so what?? THats a good thing, that means the people who were holding off on buying it will now do so. So some stocks went down, tough tittie, i dont have any stocks in Ninty, sucks for people that do. THats the way it goes Umm yah its very sad, no 3DS price dropping is not a good thing for all of us who purchased it day one. The Ambassador program barely benefits me I would rather have my 80$ back thank you.It also means alot less profit for Nintendo infact a loss, so that means Nintendo has less money to invest in R&D and software which means less games! Thats bad for everyone! As for the stocks and investors, they keep Nintendo alive without those stocks and investors Nintendo could die. Sure you may think so some stocks went down , big deal. It is a huge deal if WiiU doesn't sell well and investors drop the stocks lower the company could die or be taken over by another company. I know your not the biggest Nintendo fan. But a bad thing for Nintendo is bad for the entire industry and all those who game in it. Nintendo is the industry, without Nintendo their possibly wouldn't be a games industry. They are the life blood of the entire industry it is them who brought the world through the great gaming crash, it is them who brought Sony into the industry, they brought us 3D, they brought us analog sticks they brought us.... they are the reason the industry is alive. Nintendo is sacred, no little booh-hoo, you should show them some respect. Nintendo is the best gaming company in existance and them going down is a very sad day for the entire industry. Sure they haven't bit the dust but this loss should be mourned by all. If Nintendo bit the dust it would be 10x more tragic then the loss of Atari and Sega combined. Its a sad month for all Nintendo fans! SO if Ninty were to go down you think video games would just stop?? Get real, dude. MS, Apple, Sony would still make their PSs, Xboxs and Iphones. Your giving Ninty Way to much credit. Look, i dont hate Ninty, i have loved every console/portable they have made with the exception of Wii & VB, for the same reasons ayou listed. You purchased a 3DS day one?? Whose fault is that?? No one told you to do that. Yeah that sucks for you and the couple of thousands of people but for all the million potential buyers this is great. I know im thrilled thats 80 bucks i dont have to spend. As a rule of thumb i never buy a console at launch for just this reason.  Best company in all of existence?? Maybe to you and some others but not everyone feels that way. I get that your madly in love with Ninty, but you need to pump your brakes a bit, i dont think its healthy for someone to be that attached to a game company, of all things. I was like that with Sega, its not cute.

Meh, as much as I started liking Ninty much less this gen, they are still a company I want to see around for years to come. They pretty much were a huge contributor to the revival of the video games industry after the crash of 1983 (i was 2 yrs old lol). There is alot of tradition and several ip's that really need to stay. I am tired of seeing 30 different Mario spinoffs (exaggerating), but mainline Mario games and 3D Mario games are always welcome, along with Zelda improvements, Metroid, Pikmin, etc. I would much rather see M$ out of the market than Ninty to be quite honest (and even M$ I rather have stay than apple enter the market). It is good for companies to suffer a fall from grace because that humbles them and helps them refocus on their core market as well as the ip's they develop in house. If Sony wouldn't be third, they wouldn't be pushing their own first parties. Santa Monica Studios, Media Molecule, Team Ico, Studio Liverpool, Guerilla, San Diego Studios, etc. All M$ did this gen was Sony's original PS1 money hat strategy and that only got them to 2nd place just barely with a year head start. Meanwhile Ninty in the past made life difficult for devs which has made them less attractive, hence lack of 3rd party support (true 3rd party support, not shovelware). Many people on this site do not get that many companies do not forget how difficult Nintendo made life for developers from NES era up until the beginning of Gamecube. Ninty allowed themselves to fall for the easy cash ins this gen and it's taking its toll. Although Pokemon will sell no matter how shitty of a so called rpg for dummies it is, they have to truly decide what they want. It is ok to set aside resources to target the blue ocean again, but their main focus has to be customer loyalty. It is all a matter of how much it costs to keep customers happy, and the answer to that lies in releasing each system with at LEAST 1 key IP which in this case would be the lovable plumber. The same goes for Sony when they release the Vita (Drake), and M$ when they release their next xbox. In the gaming industry it is crucial to gain a big install base within the first few months in order to release a second big IP, be it Pokemon, or Zelda, at which point you regain a large percentage of your core and now it's safe to experiment with a new IP, and attract third parties who want to see big opening week sales on their games.

oniyide said: Joelcool7 said: oniyide said: Cry me a river!!! So the price for 3DS got slashed a lot, so what?? THats a good thing, that means the people who were holding off on buying it will now do so. So some stocks went down, tough tittie, i dont have any stocks in Ninty, sucks for people that do. THats the way it goes Umm yah its very sad, no 3DS price dropping is not a good thing for all of us who purchased it day one. The Ambassador program barely benefits me I would rather have my 80$ back thank you.It also means alot less profit for Nintendo infact a loss, so that means Nintendo has less money to invest in R&D and software which means less games! Thats bad for everyone! As for the stocks and investors, they keep Nintendo alive without those stocks and investors Nintendo could die. Sure you may think so some stocks went down , big deal. It is a huge deal if WiiU doesn't sell well and investors drop the stocks lower the company could die or be taken over by another company. I know your not the biggest Nintendo fan. But a bad thing for Nintendo is bad for the entire industry and all those who game in it. Nintendo is the industry, without Nintendo their possibly wouldn't be a games industry. They are the life blood of the entire industry it is them who brought the world through the great gaming crash, it is them who brought Sony into the industry, they brought us 3D, they brought us analog sticks they brought us.... they are the reason the industry is alive. Nintendo is sacred, no little booh-hoo, you should show them some respect. Nintendo is the best gaming company in existance and them going down is a very sad day for the entire industry. Sure they haven't bit the dust but this loss should be mourned by all. If Nintendo bit the dust it would be 10x more tragic then the loss of Atari and Sega combined. Its a sad month for all Nintendo fans! SO if Ninty were to go down you think video games would just stop?? Get real, dude. MS, Apple, Sony would still make their PSs, Xboxs and Iphones. Your giving Ninty Way to much credit. Look, i dont hate Ninty, i have loved every console/portable they have made with the exception of Wii & VB, for the same reasons ayou listed. You purchased a 3DS day one?? Whose fault is that?? No one told you to do that. Yeah that sucks for you and the couple of thousands of people but for all the million potential buyers this is great. I know im thrilled thats 80 bucks i dont have to spend. As a rule of thumb i never buy a console at launch for just this reason.  Best company in all of existence?? Maybe to you and some others but not everyone feels that way. I get that your madly in love with Ninty, but you need to pump your brakes a bit, i dont think its healthy for someone to be that attached to a game company, of all things. I was like that with Sega, its not cute.

Dude I never said gaming would just stop. But for me gaming would become alot less attractive. Right now in my library of games over half are made directly by Nintendo. If you then exclude all the third party content on Nintendo platforms I am left with like a 6th of my games are on X-Box or PS3/PSP. So yes gaming would almost end for me if Nintendo was gone.

Nintendo deserves even more credit then I gave. If it wasn't for Nintendo the industry would have collapsed in the 80's. Then if it wasn't for Nintendo Sony would never have entered the industry so all you Sony fans would be without PlayStation. If it wasn't for Nintendo we wouldn't have a single Nintendo title (Duh). If it wasn't for Nintendo their would be no handheld gaming consoles unless someone else developed one but with the game industry crashing in the 80's that is highly unlikely. So without handheld gaming platforms and Sony would we have the smart phones we have today? What about technology the games industry has driven in PC's and handheld's, without the technology made by Nintendo or for Nintendo or inspired by Nintendo, where would the games industry be?

If Nintendo never existed and thus Sony never entered gaming, Microsoft would never have built the X-Box. Essentially without Nintendo gaming would be nowhere near what we have today. Infact console gaming may not have existed at all past the 80's crash. Then theirs the impact Nintendo has had in Japan from their cards and toys to their hotels and taxi service. To being one of Japans oldest and most successful companies.

You can't give Nintendo too much credit. Without Nintendo, Miyamoto etc...etc... gaming as we know it would never have come to be. So due to the reasons above Nintendo is the gaming industry. They are the chosen ones the light in hours of darkness they are hope and future , past and present of video games.

Now I talked about why Nintendo deserves so much credit for the past but what about the present?

Nintendo this generation has done so much for gaming. If Wii never launched at that lower price point, Microsoft and Sony would not have rushed to cut hardware costs and prices. If GBA hadn't made so much money Sony would never have released the PSP, then the Nintendo DS is what drove Sony to invest a butt load into R&D and software development to bring us a new handheld experiance via PSP and now Vita. Had DS not used a touch screen or dual screens would Sony have actually put a touch screen on Vita? What about the gyro sensors Nintendo pioneered last generation? Would those sensors be in the I-Phone or in Vita? Maybe , maybe not. If Nintendo hadn't brought us an innovation like motion controls would Sony have ever released Move? Or Microsoft Kinect? If Nintendo hadn't shifted focus to girls and older folks and targetted the blue ocean how many gamers would never have picked up a controller? Would virtual pets have made a comeback in the form of a Nintendog like game, or how about games that excersize your mind like Brain Training? Without Nintendo in the industry it would be screwed.

Is Nintendo the best company on earth? In my opinion yes, in others maybe not. Is Nintendo the best and only  video game exclusive console manufacturer? Yes and that is factual as they only make games. Microsoft and Sony have hundreds of side buisnesses they can count on. Nintendo is the only hardware manufacturer whose soul purpose is to make video games.

If Nintendo went down the industry may go on, but it would be a very sad day and the industry would never be the same. Infact even the loss of Sega has vastly effected the industry a loss of Nintendo would be 10x more impactful.

Also I notice in your post you credit Apple as one of the main game companies. Apple barely develops games at all, infact they don't even have a mainstream games console. A phone that can play games hardly ranks as a games console, if we call the I-Phone a games console then every single phone on the market is. Heck Black Berry has been around way longer and they were never creditted as having a games console.

Apple is not a game company. They barely even make games at all. They make hardware that can play games on it, but the games aren't even a main feature for the hardware, first its a phone then an MP3 player then a movie player then an App and video game platform.

We don't consider IBM, Dell or HP game console manufacturer's and their PC's play games, infact their PC's have more game support then all of Apple's devices combined. Apple is a loser , they couldn't fill Nintendo's shoes even if Sony, MS and Nintendo all went bankrupt and Apple was the only company with a gaming platform. Apple will never be a true game company like Nintendo is, not even with Steve Job's. Any buddy who is dilusional enough to believe Apple will take over the industry in ten years (And believe their is a moron who does) they need to put a helmet on, take some medication and be put in a padded room because they are insaine!

I'm not saying Apple isn't an amazing company or that Steve Jobs isn't an amazing CEO and master mind. But Apple could never and never will replace Nintendo. Even if Nintendo went bankrupt Apple is completely incapable of replacing them. Its even impossible for them to replace Sony and while more possible but highly unlikely replace Microsoft.

Apple is not a game company in the sense of Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony. or even EA, UbiSoft or any other mainstream console software developer. So please stop giving them credit where no credit is due!

C'mon man, Nintendo have survived much MUCH worse periods than this so I think predictions of their demise are a bit premature at this point in time.
I don't get it. When I first heard about the price cut my initial reaction was 'Thank god they came to their senses'...not 'My God...it's the end!'. I see it more as putting right what was wrong before any real damage is done. The price cut HAS made the 3ds more appealing in many people's eyes so how is that a negative?
(and I'm pretty excited about the ambassador program. It's better than nuffin and there's a few games in there I don't own anymore and wouldn't mind...fusion and yoshi's island to name but 2.).

mushroomboy5 said: C'mon man, Nintendo have survived much MUCH worse periods than this so I think predictions of their demise are a bit premature at this point in time. I don't get it. When I first heard about the price cut my initial reaction was 'Thank god they came to their senses'...not 'My God...it's the end!'. I see it more as putting right what was wrong before any real damage is done. The price cut HAS made the 3ds more appealing in many people's eyes so how is that a negative? (and I'm pretty excited about the ambassador program. It's better than nuffin and there's a few games in there I don't own anymore and wouldn't mind...fusion and yoshi's island to name but 2.).

I never predicted Nintendo would bite the dust, I barely even hinted that I speculate that. I simply said a price cut and such is a bad thing for Nintendo. The fall of Nintendo stocks in value is also a horrible tragic event. I then later mentioned how important Nintendo is to the industry and said if they went down so would most of the industry. I wasn't speculating they are going down infact I think they could survive a loss of 3DS and WiiU if they had too.

169.99$ is not coming to their senses. If they are loosing money on the hardware then it is not a smart buisness decision and isn't like Nintendo. Nintendo never looses money on hardware and never should look at what happened with PS3 and 360? They made so much less money then Nintendo did. Look at PS2/X-Box both sold at a loss to begin with and infact Microsoft ended the generation at a massive loss. Sony infact turned less profit from their successful PS2 then Nintendo did on GameCube/GBA.

Fact is if its bad for Nintendo its bad for us the consumer. You may be saying yay its cheaper that 80$ saved. But that is what 6-8 games that could be developed with that lost money. Less profit for Nintendo means less games and content for us, then it means less R&D which means less hardware upgrading. Less money then means investors jump ship, less investors means the company is easier to take over. The company being easy to take over means someone might take it over.

In the end Nintendo taking a loss on each unit will mean millions if not over a billion in damage to Nintendo. Which will directly effect us the consumer. So no their is no reason to rejoice or be happy. It may be nice temporarily to pay 80$ less but you'll be complaining when Nintendo can't pump out the same amount of software or support you as much as they could in the past!

@OP: Everybody forgot to tell you the most terrible blow to Nintendo's image, but I'll remedy already: Reggie was arrested and put on record as sex offender because his very long chin was touching his quite short dick in public.

Sony/Microsoft pricecut: awesome
Nintendo pricecut: d0med

Galaki said: Sony/Microsoft pricecut: awesome Nintendo pricecut: d0med

To some extent yes, as Nintendo have always made profit on hardware, now there not and they still dont have the games to make up the differnce through software sales. Selling hardware as a loss leader is a strategy alien to Nintendo and there shareholders. 

Sony have said up front it will be year 3 before Vita makes a profit, there shareholders know this and are presumably on board with it, judging by Nintendos stock price collapse, its not somthing Nintendo Share holders are on board with. 

Joelcool7 said: oniyide said: Cry me a river!!! So the price for 3DS got slashed a lot, so what?? THats a good thing, that means the people who were holding off on buying it will now do so. So some stocks went down, tough tittie, i dont have any stocks in Ninty, sucks for people that do. THats the way it goes Umm yah its very sad, no 3DS price dropping is not a good thing for all of us who purchased it day one. The Ambassador program barely benefits me I would rather have my 80$ back thank you.It also means alot less profit for Nintendo infact a loss, so that means Nintendo has less money to invest in R&D and software which means less games! Thats bad for everyone! As for the stocks and investors, they keep Nintendo alive without those stocks and investors Nintendo could die. Sure you may think so some stocks went down , big deal. It is a huge deal if WiiU doesn't sell well and investors drop the stocks lower the company could die or be taken over by another company. I know your not the biggest Nintendo fan. But a bad thing for Nintendo is bad for the entire industry and all those who game in it. Nintendo is the industry, without Nintendo their possibly wouldn't be a games industry. They are the life blood of the entire industry it is them who brought the world through the great gaming crash, it is them who brought Sony into the industry, they brought us 3D, they brought us analog sticks they brought us.... they are the reason the industry is alive. Nintendo is sacred, no little booh-hoo, you should show them some respect. Nintendo is the best gaming company in existance and them going down is a very sad day for the entire industry. Sure they haven't bit the dust but this loss should be mourned by all. If Nintendo bit the dust it would be 10x more tragic then the loss of Atari and Sega combined. Its a sad month for all Nintendo fans!

Jesus man, you sound like a nintendo employee, stop licking their arse. " Nintendo is sacred"??? Are you for real? They havnt released a new IP in years. They are only inovative in the hardware side of things. They have been relying on a few main franchises and rehashes for the last few generation.