An 80 dollar price cut a few months after release is a disaster. It spells desperation.

Just 2 huge examples to point out you're wrong.

What's the first game that originally came with the Wii? Is that new IP?

What's the game that came with a hardware add-on that outsold PS3 for a while?

There are many more smaller IP's that you also conviently ignored.

Nope, it's all in the eye of the beholder. Was the Iphone price cut a disaster, and spell desperation? And please don't give me "those were special/different circumstances", there are lots of special/different circumstances here as well.

Well why did they cut the price then? Why did the suddenly cut the price so that now nintendo are making a loss off each console sold? Is it because they are flying out the door?Is it because amazing games are being released on it? This has nothing got to do with the iphone, ye guys are hilarious. I will spell it out for you.......................ARROGANCE!!!

You think they would have learned from Sonys epic fail but they didn't.

Hilarious that you actually mentioned a collection of mini games that came with the console itself. The fact is, they have relied on the same ip's for the last few generations. They tried to innovate with metroid:other m but it failed big time. As a wii owner myself, i struggle to find good games other than the usual first party franchises we see on nintendo consoles. Where is the first party fps games, where is the uncharted beater? The nintendo infamous?

The clostest to fps game from first party is Metroid Prime. AFAIK, Nintendo just isn't into fps or something like that.

Is Nintendo fully at fault for not having great 3rd parties games?

Mini games are fine, they carter to different audiences. I am not into mini games neither but that doesn't mean mini games shouldn't exist.

Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote or you wouldn't call it hilarious - I didn't say the present price cut had anything to do with Iphone, I asked whether you considered the extreme Iphone price cut at the time so soon after release to be a disaster and a sign of desperation...

Also, the world is not black or white - of course the price cut was not because everything is going well but because they were not,  I am among the many who think the 3DS should have started at $199, and i agree that pricing it at $250 just because they thought they could was possibly arrogant,  but there is a long way between "we made a mistake with the pricing, let's give the 3DS the best chance to get back on the track we wanted it to have and not some half measures that may work or not" which makes sense for any business (I can relate as a business owner) and desperation...

Nintendo made a brave move and is nowhere near "going down" :)

You could count the "cancelled" 3DS on one hand, and most of them got cancelled because of Hudson is bankrupt.

Dear lord, tears?

I hope you're joking. There's people that go through real shit in this life and don't cry. Man up.

Umm Rol I think your going a bit over board. NES was no less a Kids/Male oriented console then SNES or later N64. I seem to recal Barbie and Beethoven games coming to SNES. Nintendo's IP always were made with the family in mind, sure children and males prefered the games made by Nintendo but that wasn't Nintendo's intent and they never did anything to suggest otherwise.

Having a sister who grew up gaming on Nintendo platforms and knowing a few other girls, they sure didn't think Nintendo games were for boys. Infact I know quit a few female gamers who always loved Nintendo. Infact I'd say every girl gamer I know loves Mario and Nintendo's games.

Also my mom and many adults I know loved Pokemon, Mario , Zelda, Metroid and StarFox. I can't see how you figure that Nintendo created those games with children and boys as their intended targets. Infact I would say Sega , Atari , Sony etc...etc... all targetted boys and children far more then Nintendo. I remember playing Barney and Garfield on my friends Sega Genesis.

Fact is the market was just made up of males and children. Gaming was also considered nerdy so many older males and women steered away from them.

Explain to me Rol how come PSOne and PS2 were so popular and saw sales rise so drastically if your theory is correct? What did Sony due to attract older men and women? Your theory doesn't hold any water. Nintendo lost market share because when NES launched they had very little competition and alot of quality software. The only reason Nintendo started loosing market share was because competitors started creating higher quality products and third parties chose to leave Nintendo and go to Sony and Sega. Sure Nintendo didn't specifically target girls or women/older men. But their games were made for people of all ages.

Your theories sometimes completely contradict what Nintendo says. Nintendo says they make games for the family, you say they targetted children. Nintendo says they are targetting non-consumers and casuals and you say the casual market doesn't exist. Nintendo says WiiU is being released to target the core consumer and their loyal demographic as well as casual. But you say WiiU is targetting the industry and ignoring the consumer.

You gotta admit your theories aren't really in line with the reality Nintendo sees. Not to mention your considered by many here on VGChartz to be the big Nintendo fan yet you disagree with every one of their beliefs! Sorta confusing!

Umm don't you think this last statement is a tad hypocritical? Nintendo needs to innovate they need to make new IP that are exactly like the competitors IP. That makes no sense if Nintendo was innovating they wouldn't make a ton of sandbox games or FPS they would do something new.

Guess what Animal Crossing, Custom Robo, BattalionWars, Pikmin all four franchises have innovated and are all recent franchises born since the beginning of the GameCube era. You see Nintendo doesn't just copy the competition as you would like them too. They innovate and create new unique IP's infact I read in a recent Miyamoto interview to expect new Nintendo characters which I assume means new IP! The direct quote is “We need new game characters soon, maybe we can move forward on that next year,”

What about PS3 and 360? Where is Microsoft or Sony's Mario, Pikmin , StarFox, Metroid, Legend Of Zelda etc...etc... Nintendo rarely if ever copies their competitors the way you seem to want them too. Nintendo creates origional and unique IP, sure they rely heavily on existing IP but they are always bringing us new IP.

Infact just because you don't like mini game genre doesn't make WiiFit, WiiPlay, WiiSports, WiiMusic any less when it comes to new IP!