u missed a lot of things..... Sony showed 6 New exclusive ips for 2012 (3 of them are for hardcore gamers -Dust, Star Track, PayDay) + 8 new Psn games comming this year(Go to Gametrailers) most of the hardcore titels that Microsoft showed are comming to PS3

The consensus all around is that Microsoft lost E3. They marketed it to the core and most sites and people rated it Nintendo> Sony> Microsoft or Sony> Nintendo> Microsoft. It's not just this site. If we're talking about the general audience of people who dont really game and would game casually then Nintendo>Microsoft>Sony. It's that simple.

Consumers all around said Microsoft had a worse E3 press conference then Sony and Nintendo, but you're bending the truth to make the PS3 look better then it is.

Nowhere online does it say the PS3 and Wii portion of Sony's and Nintendo's Press conferences were better then MS's press conference (remember Sony and Nintendo have 4 consoles to talk about, MS only has the 360). In fact when you watch Bonus Round, or any other major websites, people say the Wii portion of Nintendo's press conference was just an all out dissapointment, and most people say 360 > PS3. Just look at this thread too, you are one of the few people arguing PS3 > 360.

So in conclusion Sony/Nintendo >> Microsoft, but 360>PS3>>>Wii

I don't get this....

Let's review the title: Explain to me how PS3 and Wii had better E3 than 360

Now this statement: Nowhere online does it say the PS3 and Wii portion of Sony's and Nintendo's Press conferences were better then MS's press conference

Sooo.... you want people to explain how the PS3 / Wii had a better conference than the 360, then claim no one is actually making a statement indicating that PS3 / Wii had a better conference than the 360.

Who are you trying to refute then?

Who are these people specifically singling out 360, PS3 and Wii performance and claiming that the 360 had worst showing?

While most of your comments I agree with, these just show blatant anger at a series for no reason. 

Halo CE Anniversary = even more halo? buts its ok that nearly every ps3 exclusive worth anything is getting an older or psp game remastered for the ps3. Halo 4 is only coming out a year after the remake? God of War 3 came out 4 months after god of war collections...

Halo 4 is coming out two years after Halo Reach = halo overload much? yet its ok that uncharted 3 is coming out 2 years after uncharted 2. Killzone 3 also came out 2 years after killzone 2. O wait I completly forgot, only ps3 exclusives can have a sequel be made within two years. All others NEED MORE TIME. And please don't mention halo wars. It was a spinoff. Nearly every single huge ip, where it makes sense, has had spinoffs. Its just that sony has had only two truely huge ips, gran turismo and crash bandicoot. Spinoffs only made sense with crash. The only thing that truely was overboard was that microsoft charged $60 for dlc(Halo 3 Odst). 

Ryse is one of the first Kinect games to use finger controls. Individual finger commands, such as gouging someones eyes, will be recognized by Kinect. However there will be many different types of ways to attack and defend in Ryse. A "core" gamer should have much more trouble learning to play this game then Call of Duty. This game is not like Wii Sports, it's a core title.

I'm not ignoring Sony's past lineup, but why would I include Sony's past 2011 games, when all we are talking about is E3 onward? Do you see the thread topic? We are talking about upcoming games, not 2011 overall. If you want to bring in past games and the library in general, make a separate thread.

Ryse and Fable will not have learning curves? So Fable 1-3 are core RPG's, but now that Fable uses Kinect instead of a controller it's no longer core? You realize the gameplay is very similar overall. This is complete bull, you're just looking for reasons to ignore core titles.

Will you just admit, 360 has more comming out then Sony has for PS3? Stop changing the topic, stop whining that 360 isn't satisfying the core.

BTW That link, and you, have two completely different deffinitions for casual games. According to the Casual Games Association

"Developed for the general public and families, casual games are video games that are fun and easy to learn and play.

I really, REALLY doubt Ryse is being developed for the general public or families. Since when ever are M rated games casual? Same goes for Fable, it is a core franchise for 360, using a Kinect controller, versus a conventional controller, makes no difference.

Stop with this now, your own link contradicts you. Ryse and Fable are core, doesn't matter if YOU are interested in them or not. I'm not interested in Sly or Starhawk, but do I exclude them as core titles? Sly Cooper actually fits that definition much better then Ryse since it's an E rated game, developed for a more general audience.

If you really think that Fable Kinect is going to play anything like the Fable series proper then i got some ocean front property to sell you. The man said himself that most of the time will be spent on a horse. I never played a Fable game like that. Casual or not, does not matter, but to say that it will be a Fable game like the others only using Kinect is just ignorance. 

2005: N/A

2006: N/A

2007: Halo 3

2008: N/A

2009: Halo Wars, Halo ODST (why should we ignore Halo Wars? It may be a spin off, but so what?)

2010: Halo Reach

2011:Halo CE

2012:Halo 4

Halo Overload? But honestly, who cares? As long as they produce quality content, I am fine with milking. Things like Madden, I am not ok with.