Also, I only see one or two people claiming PS3 > 360 at this E3. There is STAGE and....that's it in this thread. It's fine to have your own preference, Wii, 360, and PS3 all failed to announce too many good new games. Just don't say one is better then the other because of all the games to competition offers, are not your type. The Wii games I am interested in weren't talked about at this E3, and Sony really only showed Uncharted 3 for PS3, but I don't go rubbing around the IMO superrior 360 upcoming lineup.

Are you kidding? all that stuff you said sounds cool, but it will NOT be in this Fable Kinect game. Pete didnt mention any of those features, so im just gonna assume they will not be in the final game, at least for now. How the hell do you expect to move in a 3d world with just Kinect?? I havent seen a game do it yet. Im not saying it wont appeal to Fable fans, dont know where your getting that, hell the on rail REs appeal to RE fans, thats the point of those games. Cash in on the name of a popular franchise. FYI, did you read the part where he said that most of the game will be on a horse??

We could make a general list and Sony would still have a stronger army of titles from start to finish.

In your opinion, which is worthless to the rest of us.

Try it if you wish. It has nothing to do with my standards.

Yes it does...

I've had this argument with Michael before showing him how even adding Move titles to Sony's arsenal could make arguing about the consoles titles even less in anyones favor who argues towards Microsoft. Yes, its preference, but lets be real here, look at the strength of the library as a whole.

Once again, your opinion and completely worthless.

To be truthful I'd rather keep casual titles out of the argument because those arent the true games which give a console lasting value.

LMAO, Now I know you are full of crap. If casual titles didn't sell consoles, then why is the Wii doing so well? Why is Move and Kinect selling like mad?

When most of us on this site talk about games which will grab gamers attention, AAA exclusives are usually the titles we focus on. I've become accustomed to it, hence why we tend to ignore the casual by default, because on gamer sites like this, you can call 99% of us core gamers. E3 was mainly viewed by core gamers, which is why Microsofts showing was considered the most underwhelming. If it was viewed mostly by the general public who could only give a care about gaming in passing then Microsofts show would be an A+. Secondly, as i've said before in other posts, for Microsoft to assume there is a core market (for Kinect) is quite risky as the kinect has only been around a year and only garnered true value around one franchise (which shows you truthfully where your market is stemming from).

Yet it continues to sell well. MS made a smart move with Kinect. And putting more support behind it will only serve to boost the sales numbers of both Kinect units, and 360s.

Core gamers tend to waver to titles with stable or complex control schemes. Casual titles gather people who dont really game and give them momentary pleasure, whilst the core titles can have lasting effects and change the core gamers impression of system A, B or C via their exclusives.

Yet, core gamers make up a small percentage of todays gamers, this may have been true in the past, but this is 2011, grandma is gaming with her grandchildren now.

Casual titles are a passing glance if any. It's like going to universal studios. Oh yes....I forgot....you can now go to the Disney theme park with kinect on a rail. If you view AAA titles and casual titles as equal...then as erroneous as I believe that is, it's still your opinion and I cannot change that.

Once again, you are living in 2003, the demographics have changed drastically with core gamers making up a much smaller percentage of total gamers. Your whole argument is utterly useless now.

Here you go again listing only Q4 of the year instead of the year as a whole. Our argument is Microsoft and Sonys year as a whole. Microsoft PWNed nothing. I have too many friends who had to sit and watch (and still are) me play my PS3 because their 360 has no exclusives. Then we all go and play third party games and talk about it. Ok...you want to add Halo four to the list ? A game coming next year? This makes the argument sadder and easier. Make a list right now of the top 360 exclusives between this year and next year and I will open up some hurt by listing the 2011-2012 Sony list. This is where I love Sony's theory on having stronger first party is correct. I cannot wait for the list. Since you like creating lists show me this years exclusives and next years. You have a very contradictory style now talking about AAA exclusives and then agreeing with the other guys that casual titles should be added to the list.  Either way....its still a loss.

It wont be hard to learn Ryse, hence why its called casual. Secondly you pick and choose games by prefrence. As I said before, I could list the whole Sony lineup for 2011, but you would disregard it because of your preference in waiting for Q4 releases when all the only 360 AAA  titles come out for the year. You chose to disregard that Sony has been giving giving out quality titles year round.

Secondly, my definition of core does NOT remove Super Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong or Mario Kart, because all of those games have a learning curve, and it seems like you dont remember our old conversation because this the same thing you accused me of before. My definition of core seems to be the media idea as well. Secondly I've told you already that Microsoft and Sony already seem to have similar audience of taste in their core section, who mainly play based on preference of system or have both. The Wii has its own loyal core fanbase, whom are loyal to their first party IP's complex or not. Nintendo stands out, hence why this gen turned out this way and Sony and Microsoft followed suit. Nintendo is the only company who can appeal to everyone with a gimmick. Kinect has none and Microsoft have none and Sony definitely doesn't have Crash (Sony's highest selling casual exclusive) or Spyro anymore whom the casuals remember so well from two gens ago when the Playstation was sucking up third party exclusives. Much like Nintendo said at E3 they are contradiction.

http://www.casualgamesassociation.org/faq.php

Look at the casual games associations concept of what a casual title is.

REALLY?

You do know Fable Kinect has movement? One big think Lionhead Studios was ripped on about was that people thought Fable: The Journey was "on rails." However it isn't it has free world exploring. Most likely not as expansive as Fable 1-3, but you can move around. Remember the Ghost Recon Kinect demo? Remember for a breif moment he played that game using only the Kinect controller? He moved forward by stepping forward, and shot by sticking up all his fingers.

What is RE? Fable: The Journey is not on rails. Peter Monyloux explained tha, and he said he should have showed other footage in the game then just that. From what i hear from Peter Monyloux, what I explained is what he wants, but knowing him, we won't get it until Fable: The Second Journey.

I read how most of the game you will ride a horse. Is that suppose to be bad? You ride a horse all the time in Ocarina of Time in Hyrule.

I'm not trying to argue Fable: TJ will be as good as Fable 1-3, but only that it won't be bad. I'm not ready to write off the game until it's closer to release.

Ryse is one of the first Kinect games to use finger controls. Individual finger commands, such as gouging someones eyes, will be recognized by Kinect. However there will be many different types of ways to attack and defend in Ryse. A "core" gamer should have much more trouble learning to play this game then Call of Duty. This game is not like Wii Sports, it's a core title.

I'm not ignoring Sony's past lineup, but why would I include Sony's past 2011 games, when all we are talking about is E3 onward? Do you see the thread topic? We are talking about upcoming games, not 2011 overall. If you want to bring in past games and the library in general, make a separate thread.

Ryse and Fable will not have learning curves? So Fable 1-3 are core RPG's, but now that Fable uses Kinect instead of a controller it's no longer core? You realize the gameplay is very similar overall. This is complete bull, you're just looking for reasons to ignore core titles.

Will you just admit, 360 has more comming out then Sony has for PS3? Stop changing the topic, stop whining that 360 isn't satisfying the core.

BTW That link, and you, have two completely different deffinitions for casual games. According to the Casual Games Association

"Developed for the general public and families, casual games are video games that are fun and easy to learn and play.

I really, REALLY doubt Ryse is being developed for the general public or families. Since when ever are M rated games casual? Same goes for Fable, it is a core franchise for 360, using a Kinect controller, versus a conventional controller, makes no difference.

Stop with this now, your own link contradicts you. Ryse and Fable are core, doesn't matter if YOU are interested in them or not. I'm not interested in Sly or Starhawk, but do I exclude them as core titles? Sly Cooper actually fits that definition much better then Ryse since it's an E rated game, developed for a more general audience.

The XBOX 360 is set to have its weakest year so far while the PS3 is set to have its best year so far. I just wouldn't expect to hear something like that when the XBOX 360 has next to no exclusives game coming out in the near future outside of Kinect games and the flagship titles like Halo, Gears and Forza.

I understand now because you were including Kinect titles, don't worry, I was thinking more about hardcore games.