I couldn't care.

Goty so far?

Child of Eden. Unbelievable experience. Best motion controlled game ever and immersion like nothing else.

I'll go back to my goty now.

I am way more fan of Zelda than Halo and even i know how much more irregular this series is than Halo. It's not even comparable, since Halo has usually the same gameplay and has a well-defined story and time-line.

Zelda has too much changes from game to game. How do you relate for example, OoT to WW? Or Twilight Princess to Spirit Tracks? Or Major'as Mask to Four Swords Adventures? All of them are mothership titles.

So, by the standards of some people here, you should expect nothing from Zelda. Since it won't be anything like the previous one (which is true, since the previous one was Spirit Tracks).

If you didnt care you wouldnt have labeled people. Plain and simple.

I explained to the people saying it was rediculous thread why. Not because I cared.

Ah what's the use.

I am talking about everything that went on at E3 not just the press conferences.

OK so I was on vacation last week and only paid partial attention to E3. I have watched the MS E3 presentation and seen many of the other 360 announcements made by MS and others post the presentation.  If it wasnt shown, but we know its coming I will not mention it. I wont mention multiplatform (I dont mean what may show up on PC) even if they have console specific features.

For 360 I see the following showcased titles (all week)

Gears 3 - September 2011
Forza 4 - October 2011
Halo CE Anniversary - November 2011
Halo 4 - 2012
Dance Central 2 - Holiday 2011
Kinect Sports 2 - Holiday 2011
Kinect Star Wars - Holiday 2011
Kinect Disneyland Adventures - November 2011
Ryse - 2012
Fable: The Journey - 2012
Minecraft - Winter 2011
Rise of Nightmares - Fall 2011
Sesame Street - Fall 2011
XCOM - 2012

New voice enabled Metro UI 360 dashboard with youtube, ufc, live tv, bing enabled integrated content search. New Xbox Live features include cloud storage, beacons.

Many new XBLA titles.

So I contrast that with the stuff I heard about for PS3 and Wii.

Wii
New Zelda - Fall 2011
New Kirby - Fall 2011

PS3
Resistance 3 - Fall 2011
Uncharted 3 - Fall 2011
Twisted Metal - Fall 2011
Starhawk - 2012
Sly Cooper 4 - 2012
PSP God of War titles packaged for PS3
As far as I know nothing new for PSN.

So what did I miss?  

u missed a lot of things..... Sony showed 6 New exclusive ips for 2012 (3 of them are for hardcore gamers -Dust, Star Track, PayDay) + 8 new Psn games comming this year(Go to Gametrailers) most of the hardcore titels that Microsoft showed are comming to PS3

We could make a general list and Sony would still have a stronger army of titles from start to finish.

In your opinion, which is worthless to the rest of us.

Try it if you wish. It has nothing to do with my standards.

Yes it does...

I've had this argument with Michael before showing him how even adding Move titles to Sony's arsenal could make arguing about the consoles titles even less in anyones favor who argues towards Microsoft. Yes, its preference, but lets be real here, look at the strength of the library as a whole.

Once again, your opinion and completely worthless.

To be truthful I'd rather keep casual titles out of the argument because those arent the true games which give a console lasting value.

LMAO, Now I know you are full of crap. If casual titles didn't sell consoles, then why is the Wii doing so well? Why is Move and Kinect selling like mad?

When most of us on this site talk about games which will grab gamers attention, AAA exclusives are usually the titles we focus on. I've become accustomed to it, hence why we tend to ignore the casual by default, because on gamer sites like this, you can call 99% of us core gamers. E3 was mainly viewed by core gamers, which is why Microsofts showing was considered the most underwhelming. If it was viewed mostly by the general public who could only give a care about gaming in passing then Microsofts show would be an A+. Secondly, as i've said before in other posts, for Microsoft to assume there is a core market (for Kinect) is quite risky as the kinect has only been around a year and only garnered true value around one franchise (which shows you truthfully where your market is stemming from).

Yet it continues to sell well. MS made a smart move with Kinect. And putting more support behind it will only serve to boost the sales numbers of both Kinect units, and 360s.

Core gamers tend to waver to titles with stable or complex control schemes. Casual titles gather people who dont really game and give them momentary pleasure, whilst the core titles can have lasting effects and change the core gamers impression of system A, B or C via their exclusives.

Yet, core gamers make up a small percentage of todays gamers, this may have been true in the past, but this is 2011, grandma is gaming with her grandchildren now.

Casual titles are a passing glance if any. It's like going to universal studios. Oh yes....I forgot....you can now go to the Disney theme park with kinect on a rail. If you view AAA titles and casual titles as equal...then as erroneous as I believe that is, it's still your opinion and I cannot change that.

Once again, you are living in 2003, the demographics have changed drastically with core gamers making up a much smaller percentage of total gamers. Your whole argument is utterly useless now.

Here you go again listing only Q4 of the year instead of the year as a whole. Our argument is Microsoft and Sonys year as a whole. Microsoft PWNed nothing. I have too many friends who had to sit and watch (and still are) me play my PS3 because their 360 has no exclusives. Then we all go and play third party games and talk about it. Ok...you want to add Halo four to the list ? A game coming next year? This makes the argument sadder and easier. Make a list right now of the top 360 exclusives between this year and next year and I will open up some hurt by listing the 2011-2012 Sony list. This is where I love Sony's theory on having stronger first party is correct. I cannot wait for the list. Since you like creating lists show me this years exclusives and next years. You have a very contradictory style now talking about AAA exclusives and then agreeing with the other guys that casual titles should be added to the list.  Either way....its still a loss.

It wont be hard to learn Ryse, hence why its called casual. Secondly you pick and choose games by prefrence. As I said before, I could list the whole Sony lineup for 2011, but you would disregard it because of your preference in waiting for Q4 releases when all the only 360 AAA  titles come out for the year. You chose to disregard that Sony has been giving giving out quality titles year round.

Secondly, my definition of core does NOT remove Super Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong or Mario Kart, because all of those games have a learning curve, and it seems like you dont remember our old conversation because this the same thing you accused me of before. My definition of core seems to be the media idea as well. Secondly I've told you already that Microsoft and Sony already seem to have similar audience of taste in their core section, who mainly play based on preference of system or have both. The Wii has its own loyal core fanbase, whom are loyal to their first party IP's complex or not. Nintendo stands out, hence why this gen turned out this way and Sony and Microsoft followed suit. Nintendo is the only company who can appeal to everyone with a gimmick. Kinect has none and Microsoft have none and Sony definitely doesn't have Crash (Sony's highest selling casual exclusive) or Spyro anymore whom the casuals remember so well from two gens ago when the Playstation was sucking up third party exclusives. Much like Nintendo said at E3 they are contradiction.

http://www.casualgamesassociation.org/faq.php

Look at the casual games associations concept of what a casual title is.