I'm sorry but how the hell did they manage to turn this into an argument?

I am sick of people commenting who have no idea what they are talking about. They just disagree with you for the sake of it.

i didn't say he did i said that he posted the most vital part of the hacking process therefore without him and thus the keys the majority of the hacking would not have occured

is that really that hard to understand?

so what are you saying the hacking ( for that period ) would have occured without him posting the keys?

i could care less if what he did was illegal or not the point is that what he did adversely affected sony, its partners and its customers adversely

You need to read a few more post up  brendude13.

dsister never said it did not happen or didnt exist.  He saif it was patech which is true. o_O.Q has been trying to make some weird points from some unrelating things is all.

"For your point to make sence " his actions" would have to involve hacking the psn or piracy"

lol good lord i see i have to break this down a little more

ok lets say for example i know murderer who wants to kill someone i know if i give the murderer the address and means to access that person am i not to some extent at fault for it? wouldn't the courts see me as an accomplice?

No, by my logic it means ina field im more familiar with because i work at a hospital, malpractice insurence costs doctors not only a ton of money but limits the scope of medicine because its far too prevalent for people to blame doctors or nurses for things that are either inevitable or unavoidable so we cant always practice aggressive medicine and we always have to settle for the lowest common denominator for fear of being sued.

What im saying is, by these groups doing this, its like ambulance chasers or lawsuit peddling lawyers to doctors....its going to make IT companies or companies with infrastructure online tighten their reigns for fear of being cracked.

So you say thats good, but the problem is still the cirminals not the entry to information. In a perfect world yes there would be no cost to protect data because we could all just respect one another but thats not a possibility, people intentionally trying to steal data by any means necessary thus provoking increased cost is wrong.

You seem to be insinuating that these people forcing sony to tighten security are doing us a favor....but at what cost? In the future we may not have the ability to manipulate our HD's and increase size, we may not have cross platform play, open network to upload user created content etc.

Rather than focusing on the real issue (and im not even sure what it is anymore since people are so caught up on either destroying Sony or destroying hackers) people just take hold of the rhetoric.

Im for increased gun control but i dont go buy guns and shoot them in public (not at people just to scare them) to show people how it needs to happen.

There are better more intelligent, mature and sophisticated legal ways to fight for consumer protection and consumer rights no matter what you people try to say.

And I am saying what he did did not do that. Blame the hackers that did. You are trying to put the blame on him instead of the hackers that caused the problme. Just seperate the isssues that is all. What you are doing is putting piracy is the same boat as consumer rights. other hacker aldready had those keys. if i rember correctly he was not even the one who found them. So again he did not casue your problems with PSN or piracy

no not quite, more like blame the knife or gun company that hte muderer used his weapon from. It would be different if he conspired with the pirates/psn hacker but he did not. Releasing info like that is legal. Just like it is legal to release info how to build any manner of bombs and weapons. Again he did not cause the PSN hacking. Do some research please. I am getting dizzzy from going in circles and repeatin myslef.

"And I am saying what he did did not do that" he did not do what? this :

http://psgroove.com/content.php?598-GeoHot-Releases-Metldr-Key-All-PS3-Keys-Now-Vulnerable

so you mean to tell me that him releasing those keys did not result in an explosion in hacks? and that events like these ( that only happened after his release of the keys ) were not contributed to in anyway by his actions above? if so im afraid i'm the one who has hit a brick wall

www.gamefront.com/call-of-duty-multiplayer-now-unplayable-thanks-to-ps3 -hack

him doing hacks or piracy on his own is not the problem never was but when he does things that affects consumers then hes taking it way too far which is what he did

I only have one serious question regarding this... What is their power level ?

Are we talkin.. 2.500 ?.. 5000 ?