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KungKras on 24 May 2011
Squilliam said:

It isn't a misleading statement to say that revenue per title is important. Revenue comes from the price of sale * number of units sold. If third parties don't have as much revenue on the Wii then it shows where the most profit potential for third parties lies and thus where they would focus the majority of their development efforts. As we don't get per platform breakdowns for profit it can only be assumed that the third parties would attempt to maximise their own profits on the most profitable platforms which follows that they focus the majority of their development resources on the HD consoles.

I get that revenue is important, still, revenue per title is only a piece of the puzzle, just like the unit sales are. It would not be anymore telling of the big picture.

To see the big picture, everything, including development would have to be taken into consideration. I'm not saying that the big picture might favour any particular market, only that just looking at revenue is as flawed as just looking at unit sales.



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Squilliam on 24 May 2011
KungKras said:
Squilliam said:
 

It isn't a misleading statement to say that revenue per title is important. Revenue comes from the price of sale * number of units sold. If third parties don't have as much revenue on the Wii then it shows where the most profit potential for third parties lies and thus where they would focus the majority of their development efforts. As we don't get per platform breakdowns for profit it can only be assumed that the third parties would attempt to maximise their own profits on the most profitable platforms which follows that they focus the majority of their development resources on the HD consoles.

I get that revenue is important, still, revenue per title is only a piece of the puzzle, just like the unit sales are. It would not be anymore telling of the big picture.

To see the big picture, everything, including development would have to be taken into consideration. I'm not saying that the big picture might favour any particular market, only that just looking at revenue is as flawed as just looking at unit sales.

We don't know the cost of development and we definately don't know of the publishing costs involved and the level of advertising on a per title basis. So without knowing any of that we're stuck back at the point where all we have to go on is revenue and the price per title. What one can infer from revenue is the number of developers who can be supported to develop games for those systems.



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S____M____C____C on 24 May 2011

newsflash:

the wii won't sell as much as the ps2 because the ps2 was more popular, didn't seem so outdated as fast, and had more quality games. 



brendude13 on 24 May 2011
morenoingrato said:
brendude13 said:

Anybody going to ban this guy for 3 weeks?

Oh...Didn't think so.

Anyway, this was a good read. The Wii might have been the fastest selling but in the long run it is going to lose a LOT of ground. I wish Nintendo had put stronger hardware in the Wii, at least powerful enough to starve off their next console until 2013 instead of starting the next generation prematurely.

I still think the Wii is too expensive, infact I think ALL home consoles are still to expensive and they are being overpriced, just look at the price of the Gamecube, XBOX and PS2, after a few years they were sub £100 / $150 (can't confirm that, might be wrong).


Why would he be banned? He didn't do anything wrong, if anything, you should be.

I received a 3 week ban for saying that the "gimmicky effect of the Wii wears off after a while", something which people have done many times on VGChartz.

I see other people doing it and no fuss is made, but when I said that I recieved a 3 week ban, wouldn't a warning or a 3 day ban suffice? Can you blame me for being sour about it?

And I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just pointing out how much of an unfair ban it was.



brendude13 on 24 May 2011
NYANKS said:

Let's stop skirting the issue.

1. PS2

2. SNES

3. PS1

4. NES

5. PS3/360

 

hehe. 

1. PS1

2. Dreamcast

3. SNES

4. PS2

5. PS3

I would add NES, but it was before my time, I can't really appreciate it.



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miz1q2w3e on 24 May 2011
brendude13 said:
morenoingrato said:

Why would he be banned? He didn't do anything wrong, if anything, you should be.

I received a 3 week ban for saying that the "gimmicky effect of the Wii wears off after a while", something which people have done many times on VGChartz.

I see other people doing it and no fuss is made, but when I said that I recieved a 3 week ban, wouldn't a warning or a 3 day ban suffice? Can you blame me for being sour about it?

And I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just pointing out how much of an unfair ban it was.

You guys do realize that it was eurogamer who said that in their article, not the OP



thismeintiel on 24 May 2011
Kasz216 said:

Edit: Found it.  Interesting, didn't realize it was still over PS2.

Also didn't realize that the "decline" was so similar to each console.


The big issue though is that a new Nintendo console is coming soon, while PS3 took forever to come out... and was also "expensive as balls."

I miss having these charts on VGchartz.  What's Nintendo's expecting shipping total this year?  Below where PS2 was right?

Wii actually doing a lot better then what I thought. 

Huh?  Wii(2006) - Cafe(2012) = 6 years.  PS2(2000) - PS3(2006) = 6 years.  Both of their successors came out/will come out in the same amount of years.  And while it is true that the PS3 was expensive, there were cheaper alternatives. 

The Wii is going to see a much quicker drop in sales compared to the PS2 in the next few years.  I doubt it will sell ~ 11 million in 2013, it's 7th year on the market, like the PS2 did in its 7th year.  Nor do I see it having the staying power to be on the market for 5 years after the Cafe, like the PS2 was able to do.



 

brendude13 on 25 May 2011
miz1q2w3e said:
brendude13 said:
morenoingrato said:

Why would he be banned? He didn't do anything wrong, if anything, you should be.

I received a 3 week ban for saying that the "gimmicky effect of the Wii wears off after a while", something which people have done many times on VGChartz.

I see other people doing it and no fuss is made, but when I said that I recieved a 3 week ban, wouldn't a warning or a 3 day ban suffice? Can you blame me for being sour about it?

And I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just pointing out how much of an unfair ban it was.

You guys do realize that it was eurogamer who said that in their article, not the OP

Uh oh...I thought that was his little comment below the article.

Aww well, other people still say it anyway, and they also say stuff a hell of a lot worse than that too.



o_O.Q on 27 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
superchunk said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I love how people just don't give the Wii the respect it deserves. Here are a few facts that people completly over look.

1) The PS2 was the 1st, 6th Generation Console to be released. It had a Year and 1 Month sales lead on either Xbox or the GameCube. The PS2 had absolutly no competition againt it. Thats one reason why it's numbers are so high.

2) The Wii on the other hand was released at the same time as the PS3, 1 Year after the 360. We are talking about a Console that was way behind in technology, and had 2 current Generation Consoles to contend with. And was still able to outsell them. Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

Sales does not make it the greatest console ever made.

The Wii is only so popular because it's target audience ISN'T the typical hardcore gamer.

While I do think it is underrated by hardcore gamers because they say "it's just a kids console", it still doesn't deserve the sales just because it's the latest trendy Christmas present.


Partly false, its market doesn't have have typical hardcore gamers, because 3rd parties chose to not bring those games over.

Had the first years of the Wii been given the same 3rd party games with only losses to HD visuals, Wii would gained the core gamer as well.

However, 3rd parties were short sighted in the beginning and then decided to not spend the money to make their engines Wii friendly as they were comfortable with PS360/PC userbase and created their own self-fulling logic of who the Wii market was and was not.

you're making the assuption that "hardcore gamers" would give up the graphics, a control scheme more suited to some types of games, superior online support etc... in my opnion your assuption is wrong

If they weren't willing to give that up....

all hardcore gamers would be playing on PCs right now.

The real "dirty secret" of gaming that people don't want to admit too?

CoD and GTA are casual.

Nitendo didn't target casual gamers anymore then anyone else.  What they targeted were different gamers and people who were getting bored of regular gaming.  People up for innovation.

i disagree some people don't game on pc for several reasons :

consoles are somewhat more straight forward to game with

the money required to afford a top of the line pc required to run games properly

the constant upgrading required to stay relevant

exclusives 

etc
console provide comparable graphics and online systems for a lower price



Kasz216 on 28 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
superchunk said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I love how people just don't give the Wii the respect it deserves. Here are a few facts that people completly over look.

1) The PS2 was the 1st, 6th Generation Console to be released. It had a Year and 1 Month sales lead on either Xbox or the GameCube. The PS2 had absolutly no competition againt it. Thats one reason why it's numbers are so high.

2) The Wii on the other hand was released at the same time as the PS3, 1 Year after the 360. We are talking about a Console that was way behind in technology, and had 2 current Generation Consoles to contend with. And was still able to outsell them. Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

Sales does not make it the greatest console ever made.

The Wii is only so popular because it's target audience ISN'T the typical hardcore gamer.

While I do think it is underrated by hardcore gamers because they say "it's just a kids console", it still doesn't deserve the sales just because it's the latest trendy Christmas present.


Partly false, its market doesn't have have typical hardcore gamers, because 3rd parties chose to not bring those games over.

Had the first years of the Wii been given the same 3rd party games with only losses to HD visuals, Wii would gained the core gamer as well.

However, 3rd parties were short sighted in the beginning and then decided to not spend the money to make their engines Wii friendly as they were comfortable with PS360/PC userbase and created their own self-fulling logic of who the Wii market was and was not.

you're making the assuption that "hardcore gamers" would give up the graphics, a control scheme more suited to some types of games, superior online support etc... in my opnion your assuption is wrong

If they weren't willing to give that up....

all hardcore gamers would be playing on PCs right now.

The real "dirty secret" of gaming that people don't want to admit too?

CoD and GTA are casual.

Nitendo didn't target casual gamers anymore then anyone else.  What they targeted were different gamers and people who were getting bored of regular gaming.  People up for innovation.

i disagree some people don't game on pc for several reasons :

consoles are somewhat more straight forward to game with

the money required to afford a top of the line pc required to run games properly

the constant upgrading required to stay relevant

exclusives 

etc
console provide comparable graphics and online systems for a lower price

None of those are actually true.... outside exclusives.

My 2-3 year old off the shelf computer plays modern games fine... the only upgrade i've ever performed was putting in a graphics card, which i did at the time i bought it.

 

The only games you really ever had to upgrade your PC for at a rate that was harsher then console upgrading was stuff like "Crysis" and even then only at the highest settings.

And well... that's coming out on consoles too... and has never really been any good.