Oh, so the Saturn wasn't competition, neither was the N64? You say this even though the SNES and Genesis were both top of the line consoles the previous generation?

Consoles don't get discounted just because they end up offering what the others do not and in turn blow them away sales wise.

Same for PS2. You don't suddenly get to undermine how great it truly was just because the competition couldn't keep up.

If me and you went to the starting line to get ready to race, guess what, you are my competitor.

That doesn't change just because you failed to clear the first hurdle.

I also didn't say you were discounting sales. You are seemingly trying to make you case of the Wii being the best of all time because it sold as much as it did while failing to step on the throats of it's competitors when it was at one point outselling them both combined.

You are intitled to your opinion, but your reasoning for it is very flawed.

Ah, got a new one for ya!!

Let us say the Cafe releases and PS3 and 360 stay on the market. 

Now let us say the Wii ends up dying out shortly after the Cafe releases and the PS3 continues to sell. 

Now let us say that not only does the PS3 continue to sell, but due to being in developing markets it actually ends up passing the Wii or at least "see the PS3 knocking on the Wii's door", would that make you think PS3 is the greatest console of all time?

Also what if the new Kinect lineup breathes new life into the 360 and that too ends up "knocking on the Wii's door"?

Could the 360 end up being, in your opinion of course, the best console of all time? O_o

Why would he be banned? He didn't do anything wrong, if anything, you should be.

OMG....SNES and Genisis were 4th Gen Consoles they have nothing to do with PS1. The Saturn failed in many ways and N64 was released 1 year after PS1. So yes, it had no competition.

"Do we discount the PS1 as well".....so yes you are implying i was discounting sales...lolz

"If me and you went to the starting line to get ready to race, guess what, you are my competitor.

That doesn't change just because you failed to clear the first hurdle.".....don't you think thats race would be an unfair outcome if you had a 1 year lead on me ?.....common man think about it

And by the way the Wii did step on their throats

If either were to catch up to the Wii...then absolutly yes! You see, you think i'm biast...i actually go by fact. Whats impressive is impressive, and whats not is not.

I never thought you were biased, I just think your view on what makes a console the best of all time is flawed and I stated just that.

To me it always comes down to games and games only.

But that is also, fundementally about profit. It's a no brainer that selling games at a higher price gives more profit, and simultaniously more revenue, if all other factors such as publishing and manufacturing and development remains constant. (Or are we talking strictly about revenue with the development out of the picture?)

but when looking at a market's health at a macro scale, as I said, profits are of the most interrest, because that's where the sucess of the business lies.

When looking at the biggest picture, and taking development costs into account, you have high development costs and high margins on the HD consoles, so it may balance out, it may not. My point is, with things looking that way, when looking at revenue of course the HD console graphs would be much higher, because more cash flows through those markets, but it would be misleading when gauging how sucessful the markets are. That's why I think "Those graphs would look different if Nintnedo dared to show revenue" is a misleading statement. Of course the graphs would be higher, but they would not have much information. Revenue could come only from companies expenses and not from sales.

A chart with revenue/Profits chart/(Profits - revenue) graphs for each software market would be interresting though, since it would measure both how much customers spend in each market plus how sucessful the software businesses are.

@ Italized #1

Why did PS2's release and just blow away the Dreamcast despite releasing first? Couldn't have been due to the success of the PS1 according to what you say in the post I am quoting.

@ Italized #2

1 year lead means nothing.

Dreamcast released first and PS2 blew it away.

360 released a year earlier and the Wii then blew it away, plus it has a chance to get beaten by the PS3 as well. So it may end up losing to 2 consoles in 1 generation despite having a 1 year lead.

@Italized #3

If Wii stepped on their throats they wouldn't both be outselling it WW on a weekly basis while being the cheapest of the 3. Nor would it have to also cut it's price just to stay competitive.

But i haven't even stated my full reasons why i think it's the best.....but i see what you mean

Didn't the Saturn release first too? That would make 3 straight generations where the one who released first ended up losing.