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glimmer_of_hope on 23 May 2011
Yakuzaice said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

Dude what have you been reading ? I never said PS2 sales don't count. I said the reason the Wii wont catch up is because PS2 had no competition.

And i never said sales made it the greatest console.

Read a little slower, and understand what i am writing !
glimmer_of_hope said:

Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

You clearly cited the Wii approaching the PS2 in sales as the reason for it being 'the greatest console ever made'.  There was no mention of games, motion controls, etc.  The only reasoning you gave was it coming close to the PS2 in sales.

You also continually touted that the only reason the PS2 sold as much as it did was because it had no competition.  If you think the Wii is knocking at its door being 64 million units away, then clearly you feel the PS2 achievements do not count.  When someone gave a reason for the Wii having high sales, you just dismissed them as a hater.  If the Wii had received all the PS360 third party support, I highly doubt you would be here saying the Wii only sold so well because it had no competition.

Again there is a difference between selling because of no competition and selling because the "wrong people bought the console". I gave other reasons of why the Wii is the best console...but you chose to only quote the sales portion. And don't speculate what i think. I never said the PS2 sales don't count. I said they are so high because of no competition.



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o_O.Q on 23 May 2011
kurasakiichimaru said:
o_O.Q said:
superchunk said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I love how people just don't give the Wii the respect it deserves. Here are a few facts that people completly over look.

1) The PS2 was the 1st, 6th Generation Console to be released. It had a Year and 1 Month sales lead on either Xbox or the GameCube. The PS2 had absolutly no competition againt it. Thats one reason why it's numbers are so high.

2) The Wii on the other hand was released at the same time as the PS3, 1 Year after the 360. We are talking about a Console that was way behind in technology, and had 2 current Generation Consoles to contend with. And was still able to outsell them. Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

Sales does not make it the greatest console ever made.

The Wii is only so popular because it's target audience ISN'T the typical hardcore gamer.

While I do think it is underrated by hardcore gamers because they say "it's just a kids console", it still doesn't deserve the sales just because it's the latest trendy Christmas present.


Partly false, its market doesn't have have typical hardcore gamers, because 3rd parties chose to not bring those games over.

Had the first years of the Wii been given the same 3rd party games with only losses to HD visuals, Wii would gained the core gamer as well.

However, 3rd parties were short sighted in the beginning and then decided to not spend the money to make their engines Wii friendly as they were comfortable with PS360/PC userbase and created their own self-fulling logic of who the Wii market was and was not.

you're making the assuption that "hardcore gamers" would give up the graphics, a control scheme more suited to some types of games, superior online support etc... in my opnion your assuption is wrong

Well I'm pretty sure everyone wouldn't be calling Uncharted/Crysis etx the games of the year if not for the graphics. LOL



actually i would for uncharted it has some of the best gameplay and interaction with the environment i've ever seen in a game the graphics for me are just the icing on top



glimmer_of_hope on 23 May 2011
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

Can anyone quote me where i said it is the greatest console because of the units sold ?

"But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made."

You are directly referring to sales as the reason why, in your opinion, the Wii is the greatest console ever made.

I rest my case =).

You would make a horrible Lawyer. WHERE DID I WRITE SALES ? 

You wrote sales earlier on in your comment, which I didn't quote. In the part that I quoted, you were either implying that the Wii is the greatest console ever made because of sales, or you genuinely believe that the Wii will sprout legs and walk up to a house where a PS2 lives and knock on its door.

When you said "Wii knock at the PS2's door" you were clearly referring to sales, you went on to say "thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made". In other words, the Wii is the greatest console ever made BECAUSE of sales.

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The PS2 has a house where it lives?.........Where ?



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brendude13 on 23 May 2011
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

Can anyone quote me where i said it is the greatest console because of the units sold ?

"But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made."

You are directly referring to sales as the reason why, in your opinion, the Wii is the greatest console ever made.

I rest my case =).

You would make a horrible Lawyer. WHERE DID I WRITE SALES ? 

You wrote sales earlier on in your comment, which I didn't quote. In the part that I quoted, you were either implying that the Wii is the greatest console ever made because of sales, or you genuinely believe that the Wii will sprout legs and walk up to a house where a PS2 lives and knock on its door.

When you said "Wii knock at the PS2's door" you were clearly referring to sales, you went on to say "thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made". In other words, the Wii is the greatest console ever made BECAUSE of sales.

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The PS2 has a house where it lives?.........Where ?

I'm not telling you, you will burn it down.



kurasakiichimaru on 23 May 2011
brendude13 said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
o_O.Q said:
superchunk said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I love how people just don't give the Wii the respect it deserves. Here are a few facts that people completly over look.

1) The PS2 was the 1st, 6th Generation Console to be released. It had a Year and 1 Month sales lead on either Xbox or the GameCube. The PS2 had absolutly no competition againt it. Thats one reason why it's numbers are so high.

2) The Wii on the other hand was released at the same time as the PS3, 1 Year after the 360. We are talking about a Console that was way behind in technology, and had 2 current Generation Consoles to contend with. And was still able to outsell them. Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

Sales does not make it the greatest console ever made.

The Wii is only so popular because it's target audience ISN'T the typical hardcore gamer.

While I do think it is underrated by hardcore gamers because they say "it's just a kids console", it still doesn't deserve the sales just because it's the latest trendy Christmas present.


Partly false, its market doesn't have have typical hardcore gamers, because 3rd parties chose to not bring those games over.

Had the first years of the Wii been given the same 3rd party games with only losses to HD visuals, Wii would gained the core gamer as well.

However, 3rd parties were short sighted in the beginning and then decided to not spend the money to make their engines Wii friendly as they were comfortable with PS360/PC userbase and created their own self-fulling logic of who the Wii market was and was not.

you're making the assuption that "hardcore gamers" would give up the graphics, a control scheme more suited to some types of games, superior online support etc... in my opnion your assuption is wrong

Well I'm pretty sure everyone wouldn't be calling Uncharted/Crysis etx the games of the year if not for the graphics. LOL

Why do you need to end every sentence with "LOL"? ...LOL


What's so bad about that? LOL



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kurasakiichimaru on 23 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
o_O.Q said:
superchunk said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

I love how people just don't give the Wii the respect it deserves. Here are a few facts that people completly over look.

1) The PS2 was the 1st, 6th Generation Console to be released. It had a Year and 1 Month sales lead on either Xbox or the GameCube. The PS2 had absolutly no competition againt it. Thats one reason why it's numbers are so high.

2) The Wii on the other hand was released at the same time as the PS3, 1 Year after the 360. We are talking about a Console that was way behind in technology, and had 2 current Generation Consoles to contend with. And was still able to outsell them. Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

Sales does not make it the greatest console ever made.

The Wii is only so popular because it's target audience ISN'T the typical hardcore gamer.

While I do think it is underrated by hardcore gamers because they say "it's just a kids console", it still doesn't deserve the sales just because it's the latest trendy Christmas present.


Partly false, its market doesn't have have typical hardcore gamers, because 3rd parties chose to not bring those games over.

Had the first years of the Wii been given the same 3rd party games with only losses to HD visuals, Wii would gained the core gamer as well.

However, 3rd parties were short sighted in the beginning and then decided to not spend the money to make their engines Wii friendly as they were comfortable with PS360/PC userbase and created their own self-fulling logic of who the Wii market was and was not.

you're making the assuption that "hardcore gamers" would give up the graphics, a control scheme more suited to some types of games, superior online support etc... in my opnion your assuption is wrong

Well I'm pretty sure everyone wouldn't be calling Uncharted/Crysis etx the games of the year if not for the graphics. LOL



actually i would for uncharted it has some of the best gameplay and interaction with the environment i've ever seen in a game the graphics for me are just the icing on top

I doubt for "Teh Hardcore gamers" if the game had Wii graphics or worse, PS2 graphics. LOL



glimmer_of_hope on 23 May 2011
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

Can anyone quote me where i said it is the greatest console because of the units sold ?

"But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made."

You are directly referring to sales as the reason why, in your opinion, the Wii is the greatest console ever made.

I rest my case =).

You would make a horrible Lawyer. WHERE DID I WRITE SALES ? 

You wrote sales earlier on in your comment, which I didn't quote. In the part that I quoted, you were either implying that the Wii is the greatest console ever made because of sales, or you genuinely believe that the Wii will sprout legs and walk up to a house where a PS2 lives and knock on its door.

When you said "Wii knock at the PS2's door" you were clearly referring to sales, you went on to say "thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made". In other words, the Wii is the greatest console ever made BECAUSE of sales.

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The PS2 has a house where it lives?.........Where ?

I'm not telling you, you will burn it down.

Or was that a figure of speech like mine ? LOLZ



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KungKras on 23 May 2011
Squilliam said:

That graph would have been completely different had they dared use software revenue rather than total game units sold.


Revenue means nothing, absolutley nothing.

Software profit on the other hand would be more enlightening.



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brendude13 on 23 May 2011
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:
brendude13 said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

Can anyone quote me where i said it is the greatest console because of the units sold ?

"But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made."

You are directly referring to sales as the reason why, in your opinion, the Wii is the greatest console ever made.

I rest my case =).

You would make a horrible Lawyer. WHERE DID I WRITE SALES ? 

You wrote sales earlier on in your comment, which I didn't quote. In the part that I quoted, you were either implying that the Wii is the greatest console ever made because of sales, or you genuinely believe that the Wii will sprout legs and walk up to a house where a PS2 lives and knock on its door.

When you said "Wii knock at the PS2's door" you were clearly referring to sales, you went on to say "thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made". In other words, the Wii is the greatest console ever made BECAUSE of sales.

Don't treat me like an idiot.

The PS2 has a house where it lives?.........Where ?

I'm not telling you, you will burn it down.

Or was that a figure of speech like mine ? LOLZ

That figure of speech is the proof that you claimed the Wii was the "greatest console ever made" because of sales.



Yakuzaice on 23 May 2011
glimmer_of_hope said:

Again there is a difference between selling because of no competition and selling because the "wrong people bought the console". I gave other reasons of why the Wii is the best console...but you chose to only quote the sales portion. And don't speculate what i think. I never said the PS2 sales don't count. I said they are so high because of no competition.

 

glimmer_of_hope said:

2) The Wii on the other hand was released at the same time as the PS3, 1 Year after the 360. We are talking about a Console that was way behind in technology, and had 2 current Generation Consoles to contend with. And was still able to outsell them. Theres no wonder the Wii cant catch up to the PS2 sales, the PS2 had a massive advantage. But even seeing the Wii knock at the PS2's door is absolutly amazing, thats what makes it.....in my opinion.....the greatest console ever made.

Ok, so the Wii came out later, had old tech, and had competition.  Not exactly the qualities I look for in consoles, but different strokes I suppose.  Would the Wii still be the 'greatest console ever made' if it had all those qualities and sold 10 million?  If not, it seems like sales are the determining factor.

Saying the PS2 had no competition and saying the Wii sold to a new audience are different things, sure.  However they are both done for the same reason, to lessen the accomplishments of the console.  They are just excuses to explain why the consoles sold as they did.  That is why it was so ridiculous for you to jump on someone and call them a hater when you had done essentially the same thing a few posts earlier.