Let me settle this here once and for all. According to my research the PS3 version of L.A. Noire has a mandatory install of 1.3 GB. I am pretty sure that this means the install takes at least several minutes and thus the 360 version of this game is superior.

that is a good solution, though i think that voids the warranty

If you know more about this than me, then post the numbers all in one post. How long does the install take? How long (on average) are the load times in the 360 and the PS3 version?

I am just as biased against Microsoft as I am biased against Sony, even though Microsoft never kicked Nintendo's ass. The reason why it looks like I have more against Sony is that these forums are dominated by Sony fans, so the probability for conflict concerning things Sony is much higher.

I am not so sure about this, mandatory installs on the PS3 are often used to bring the loading times more in line with the 360 versions of games, because the PS3's Blu-ray drive is pretty slow. It doesn't necessarily mean that the PS3 version loads faster, so posting the actual time it takes each version on average to load would be much appreciated.

Uh, what? Look it up, in almost any multiplat game PS3 version slightly or greatly faster loading times (DC4, GTA IV, Bioshock, RDR...)

What Microsoft did last gen was hardly butt kicking. Losing $4 billion to outsell the profitable Gamecube by a mere three million units rather suggests big selfownage, especially because that "huge" triumph of beating Nintendo didn't actually help Microsoft to have an advantage over them this generation.

They still sold more. A new comer with little to no new IPs and almost no 1st party support defeated the company who has been in industry for over 20 years, with by far most experience and with the most iconic IPs in video game world.

Make a thread that in any way puts Sony in a negative light and see how many Sony folks appear. It's certainly going to be a longer thread than pretty much anything else on VGC. Sony fans make up for the majority of active members around here, there's no way around it. Besides, the point I made wasn't concerning the amount of Sony vs. Nintendo fans, but Sony vs. Microsoft fans. There are more Sony than Microsoft fans here (which you agree on), hence why I get more often into discussions with the Sony folks.

Actually, the case is exact opposite. Make any Sony negative thread and see how many anti Sony rants you'll find there. if there is one thing Nintendo and Microsoft folks get more excited about than MS/Nintendo negative thread ITS A SONY NEGATVIE THREAD. The latest and best example is PSN outage.

"Along with Rockstar we make very big games."

It's not a big game just because the discs are filled with recordings of mo-cap animation.

Oblivion and Skyrim, now those are very big games. Who easily fit on one DVD.

Isn't $6bln the losses for the whole division, including many products different from consoles? It includes R&D anyway, but yes, even considering unrelated and related but justifiable costs it's hefty compared to, for example, the estimated less than $1bln for Wii R&D, followed by HW profitable since launch, so no further losses (since Wii launch, IIRC, Ninty only had one or two quarters at a loss). It will be remembered as an example of the razor and blades model gone too far.    Although currently the chances of recovering (obviously considering SW and movies too, otherwise from HW only PS3 would need to sell at least 120M units to recover the losses, rough estimate based on initial heavy losses and the fact that even now that it's profitable, Sony will always get a relatively small margin to keep it competitive) aren't bad as they were before Slim and cut to $300 and even worse before the first significant cut to $400.

About the presumed MS royalty, curiously it looks like on the net there are only indirect sources both claiming or denying it. I can't find the link at the moment, but I read somewhere that additional royalties could be due not for MS fault but for the techs used in XB360 discs (like copy protection, etc) and this could be compatible with what Willits stated.

PS: Sorry for the late answer, net and phone not working for two days...

1) Why don't you just post the numbers or a link?

2) Xbox vs. Gamecube is what you call a Pyrrhic victory.

3) Your bias is blinding your judgment here. You know that there is something wrong when the reasonable posters, including Sony fans, feel ashamed for the recent behavior of Sony fans. Look up rocketpig's thread concerning his PSN problems.

when was it confirmed that skyrim will be on one dvd?