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Works for me - I hardly ever look in the manual for anything now, besides the first couple of pages for controllers (and most games seem to have a controller layout screen anyways).



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If I can pause the game and access the manual at any time then this is a really good idea.



Machina said:
ssj12 said:
Seece said:
ssj12 said:
Xen said:

Here's hoping that it doesn't turn into some kinda trend...


why? while this is more of a profit motive then an environmental one, as an environmentalist I support this. Reduce paper, reduce waste, reduce deforesting. Basically a win-win-win.


Not everyone gives a fuck about this con green bullshit though.


I'm one of them, don't ditch the manuals!!

Con green bullshit? Your as bad as every fing republican politician in the US. It is really sad that you live in the UK, one of that many countries actually fighting to improve the environment for its citizens and provide tons of LEGIT data proving climate change is happening, yet refuse to acknowledge that it is happening and we humans are speeding it up. If you don't realize that if we don't try to slowdown and prepare for the environmental disasters that are going to happen billions of lives will be lost.

And when was the last time you actually paid any attention to a game's manual? most games start with a picture of the controller layout and offer an addition picture of it under the option screen. They have become worthless.

Oh, and if you say "but GTA's maps" or something like that. Guess what? a map isn't a manual so all GTA games will continue to include a paper map of the cities.


I dunno what you think this country is doing, but if you think the politicians have done it for the benefit of us, 'the citizens', then you're deluding yourself. The politicians in the UK jumped on the environmental bandwagon at the height of Cameron's honeymoon period after taking over leadership of the Tory party, because it got him a bit of good 'the Tory party has changed, really' press and they all had to keep up with him. It was ALL about political opportunism, and nothing more.

Now, none of them can get off the bandwagon without looking like tools. So, instead of humiliating themselves, they decide to clamp down on debate on the subject by saying 'almost all scientific experts agree' (kinda like you just did), as if that justifies the large scale waste of taxes on uneconomical, nonsensical politically motivated policies.

P.S. You don't have to be a far right nut job, or an 'fing Republican' to be a sceptic of all the environmental scaremongering.

Not that what EA is doing has anything whatsoever to do with the environment of course.


Even if they got stuck into it, there is enough evidence that shows it has improved the way of living for the average citizen. And they could easily scale back how much they are doing on that front without looking like tools, but they choose not to. And I do agree that there is a lot of political waste spending in which the private sector should actually be taking over, which from my knowledge most of the uneconomical spending can be slowly transitioned into the private sector just like many other programs.

And your right, you don't have to be a right-wing nut job to be skeptical, but currently the right-wing is throwing a lot of policies into the wind for the corporation that have actually helped or helping including the clean up the smog around San Francisco, reduce emissions from cars while pushing higher MPG. But even skeptics agree with some facts and can at least discuss programs without just randomly jumping out as saying its "con green bullshit." People who do that are just ignorant and refuse to actually review the facts, discuss things, and learn. They might be able to turn some opinions around on some topics and slow down certain pushes on policies that environmentalists are pushing hard for turning them into a an all at once type bill to a one gradual step at a time bill.

I also did state that this is obviously a profit motive for EA as removing manuals reduce paper and ink costs, as well as shipping cost due to reduced weight.

Also I do want to target a post earlier stating that less paper equals less jobs. That I find to be completely paper mills fault and not environmental pushes. There will always be a need for paper (cups, plates, napkins, computer paper, etc), but paper mills can translate any "lost jobs" when it come to processing paper from trees to processing paper from recycled paper which would actually save paper mills money as it uses less water and energy to create recycled paper or 50-50 paper, than non-recycled new paper.



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d21lewis said:

Some games like RPG's with complex battle systems or fighting games like Streetfighter or WWE Smackdown with complicated controls should have them.  FPS's, TPS's, Racers, Puzzle Games, etc. can go without.

Then again, most PSP games that I download from the PSN and ALL of the PS1 games go this route and it ain't that bad.  It will just take some getting used to.  Sign of the times, I guess.


You can learn all the moves in the practice arena and they not that complicated.



dobby985 said:
d21lewis said:

Some games like RPG's with complex battle systems or fighting games like Streetfighter or WWE Smackdown with complicated controls should have them.  FPS's, TPS's, Racers, Puzzle Games, etc. can go without.

Then again, most PSP games that I download from the PSN and ALL of the PS1 games go this route and it ain't that bad.  It will just take some getting used to.  Sign of the times, I guess.


You can learn all the moves in the practice arena and they not that complicated.

Sometimes, in the middle of a game, it was easy to forget which button did what.  They switch the controls every year and if you play the earlier ones, it's easy to forget what changes were made.  I got the Achievement for doing all of the moves in the practice arena for SVR 2010 and 2011 but early on, I could still forget.  Same goes for SSF4.  I know all of the moves but that doesn't mean that everybody does.



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This makes no difference. 

EA's manuals were only about two pages and one of them usually was a picture.



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So we should increase paper consumption because paper doesn't come from the Amazon and the Amazon is being deforested?

I come from a family heavily invested in the timber industry and even my father and uncles would shake their heads at the sheer insanity of some of the things being said in this thread.

People aren't going to stop planting trees because demand for paper is lowered. Jesus. The paper you buy comes primarily from softwood. Softwood trees are rarely replanted. They grow naturally and are harvested on a cycle. Leave them be and they'll just keep, you know, fucking GROWING. They're the first fucking trees to repopulate a forest because they're sturdy and grow much faster than their hardwood brethren, which ARE replanted because the life cycle is so slow (they grow more slowly and only grow after softwoods have created a canopy under which a hardwood seedling can thrive).

Most of the "reforestation" happening in western nations is because of the elimination of clear-cutting and old farmland being reclaimed by nature after we, as a culture, stopped cutting down trees just for shits and giggles.




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ssj12 said:
Xen said:

Here's hoping that it doesn't turn into some kinda trend...


why? while this is more of a profit motive then an environmental one, as an environmentalist I support this. Reduce paper, reduce waste, reduce deforesting. Basically a win-win-win.

Yeah, becase the companies that chop down trees to make paper totally don't replant the trees they chop down :P

And because the manuals weren't already made out of 100% recycled paper to begin with.

And because people actually still throw away paper. I could care less about the environment and I still throw my paper away in those special paper bins.



Snesboy said:

Yeah, becase the companies that chop down trees to make paper totally don't replant the trees they chop down :P

In many cases, they don't. Depending on the crop, they may not need to replant.

And since when does cutting down trees not impact the environment? What about all the energy required to run a sawmill, create pulp, process the paper, and then print it?

The less trees we cut down and waste on paper no one wants or uses, the better it is for everyone on the planet.




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rocketpig said:
Snesboy said:

Yeah, becase the companies that chop down trees to make paper totally don't replant the trees they chop down :P

In many cases, they don't. Depending on the crop, they may not need to replant.

And since when does cutting down trees not impact the environment? What about all the energy required to run a sawmill, create pulp, process the paper, and then print it?

The less trees we cut down and waste on paper no one wants or uses, the better it is for everyone on the planet.

Everything impacts the environment. Even the environment. We should really stop caring so much.

And I had a well thought out post, but fuck it. I'm lazy.