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NoCtiS_NoX on 04 February 2011

Over shipping and channel stuffing so how long are guys going to use it? Are you guys going to use it every quarterly forecast from Sony until you guys hit the mark? 



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4k1x3r on 04 February 2011
NoCtiS_NoX said:

Over shipping and channel stuffing so how long are guys going to use it? Are you guys going to use it every quarterly forecast from Sony until you guys hit the mark? 

I remember some people calling channel stuffing last quarter, and that it would have an impact on Q3 reports, (i.e ship far less than X360 (because Microsoft has yet to ship their Kinect bundle, Sony already shipped their Move bundle), near 5m or under, same happened with Q1->42 btw), and now that it has shipped 6.3m, it's channel stuffing again and it'll supposedly impact Q4, and if they announce over 2m (or 2.8m as planned) in Q4, it'll be channel stuffing too and it'll for sure impact the Q1 2011 reports and so on. =D

I got the memo. Maybe after 10/15 quarters of channel stuffing excuse, you guys will understand that

1) VGC is not as accurate (at least everywhere) as you guys seems to think (and things are good the way they are, as long as you keep that in mind)

2) channel stuffing is not possible because Sony can't force retailers to buy consoles

3) get over it, Sony performed better than you thought (the guys I'm talking to here will recognize themselves without issues) and No they're not lying, there're too many things at stake for them to lie, but it's getting annoying to explain that over and over again.



mantlepiecek on 04 February 2011

I think Sony might have have stuffed a little this quarter. This quarter will be a little lower unless Killzone 3 manages to be a huge system seller.



arcane_chaos on 04 February 2011

somewhat off yet related question...

any current news on Sony and the PS3 being releases in China?(I think there was a thread on this awhile back)



Baalzamon on 06 February 2011
landguy1 said:
Baalzamon said:
landguy1 said:

STUFF....STUFFFFFFFF....STUFFFFFFFFFFF!

This is based on my own personal travels, but i travel for a living.  I have been traveling throughout the upper midwest regions of the US.  I like to hit all the local stores for various reasons as I travel.  I have seen very few 360's during the first 3 weeks of January, but have seen that change the last week or so.  But as far as the PS3 goes, STUFFF!!!!  At one Best Buy alone, they had PILES/Stacks of them.  I thought it odd, so i tried to count and they had atleast 150 of them just stacked on the floor.  I could have thought that was an anomoly, but 2 days later at another Best Buy, they had something similar(at least 100 ).  I also went to a local walmart after going to the second Best Buy and they don't put their stock out on the floor.  I was talking to the guy that works in the electronics area and he said they had a massive pallet full in back, and that they had it since before christmas.  This is only a small sample of the number of stores that i went to, but i will tell you that just about all of them were similar.

Again, this isn't everywhere.  Just my own experience.  No, Sony did not lie about their shipped numbers, that's for sure.

andddd I'm calling bull shit.  I've never in my lifetime seen 150 PS3's on the floor of a retailer outside of the holiday season.  You're full of shit.

EDIT: This post has been moderated for flaming. -d1

I am not trying to create a flame war, but the facts are the facts.  I do however agree that it seems that this argument gets played out every January the last few years.  If the channel is this full universally(unknown), i would guess that Sony has some good deals coming real soon through the retailers.  Why else would they proclaim that they expect to ship the amount for their stock guidance.  Or, like I said, this is just a regional anomaly(kind of unlikely but possible).

We will see in about 3-4 weeks...  That's when they aftermath ads hit.  These are the overstock items that all of the retailers get the manufacturers to give them ad dollars and back end sales deals to help push out of the channel.  It is usually a 6 week gap from idea to the actual print ad.  I would guess that by Jan 15th, the writing was on the wall for any item that didn't move fast enough to get this moving...

 

Like i said, we will see......

actually, the deals have started, I've been seeing a bunch of $50 gift cards and or a free game coming with PS3's lately, so it could have something to do with that.



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Icyedge on 06 February 2011
mantlepiecek said:

I think Sony might have have stuffed a little this quarter. This quarter will be a little lower unless Killzone 3 manages to be a huge system seller.


PS3 sell the same weekly then 360. Meaning that globally speaking, shipped not sold system would tend to be very similar. Unless microsoft arent able to completely fill their orders yet. I think you were joking anyway, but I wanted to say this.



TheSource on 07 February 2011

PSP isn't over 70m...that combines production shipments (made systems) with normal shipments (systems sent to stores).

Also, Sony doesn't seem to know how many PS2s it has shipped either!

 

* Dec 2008 Figures: 136.3m 1.4m 1.6m 1.9m 2.1m 1.7m 1.6m 1.5m 2.1m = 150.2m as of Dec 2010 (each small number is quarterly sales after the LTD total)

*  June 2009 Figures: 138.8m 1.9m 2.1m 1.7m 1.6m 1.5m 2.1m = 149.7m

Still, PS2 is over 150m shipped as of Jan 2011 - article is up.



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landguy1 on 07 February 2011
Baalzamon said:
landguy1 said:
Baalzamon said:
landguy1 said:

STUFF....STUFFFFFFFF....STUFFFFFFFFFFF!

This is based on my own personal travels, but i travel for a living.  I have been traveling throughout the upper midwest regions of the US.  I like to hit all the local stores for various reasons as I travel.  I have seen very few 360's during the first 3 weeks of January, but have seen that change the last week or so.  But as far as the PS3 goes, STUFFF!!!!  At one Best Buy alone, they had PILES/Stacks of them.  I thought it odd, so i tried to count and they had atleast 150 of them just stacked on the floor.  I could have thought that was an anomoly, but 2 days later at another Best Buy, they had something similar(at least 100 ).  I also went to a local walmart after going to the second Best Buy and they don't put their stock out on the floor.  I was talking to the guy that works in the electronics area and he said they had a massive pallet full in back, and that they had it since before christmas.  This is only a small sample of the number of stores that i went to, but i will tell you that just about all of them were similar.

Again, this isn't everywhere.  Just my own experience.  No, Sony did not lie about their shipped numbers, that's for sure.

andddd I'm calling bull shit.  I've never in my lifetime seen 150 PS3's on the floor of a retailer outside of the holiday season.  You're full of shit.

EDIT: This post has been moderated for flaming. -d1

I am not trying to create a flame war, but the facts are the facts.  I do however agree that it seems that this argument gets played out every January the last few years.  If the channel is this full universally(unknown), i would guess that Sony has some good deals coming real soon through the retailers.  Why else would they proclaim that they expect to ship the amount for their stock guidance.  Or, like I said, this is just a regional anomaly(kind of unlikely but possible).

We will see in about 3-4 weeks...  That's when they aftermath ads hit.  These are the overstock items that all of the retailers get the manufacturers to give them ad dollars and back end sales deals to help push out of the channel.  It is usually a 6 week gap from idea to the actual print ad.  I would guess that by Jan 15th, the writing was on the wall for any item that didn't move fast enough to get this moving...

 

Like i said, we will see......

actually, the deals have started, I've been seeing a bunch of $50 gift cards and or a free game coming with PS3's lately, so it could have something to do with that.

Yeah, noticed that here in the states, Target has the $50 gift card deal on the PS3...



ps2011 on 08 February 2011

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trestres on 08 February 2011
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