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Kasz216 on 19 December 2010
Scoobes said:
Rath said:
oldschoolfool said:

If they want to serve openly then more power to them,but why would they want to? I agree with the repeal,but my fear is that were going to see more incidents of discrimination pop up. I was in army for a very short time,so I know how some people are. So let me honestly ask the gay member's of vgchartz,why would you want to serve openly in the military and take the chance of getting discriminated against are possibly beat down bye some young punks. I'd hope that would'nt happen,but the military is a rough enviroment. Let me stress again,I have nothing against gay people and there desire to openly serve in the military if they so choose,but I just have concerns of were this is going to lead. I'm just trying to play devil's advacte and have an honest discussion about this.


Because they're proud of who they are? The way to end discrimination isn't to hide, it's to stand up.

@Kasz. And in the Greek military of the era (especially I think the Spartans?) it was also very common for there to be soldier lovers. They weren't gay as such from what I've read - they had wives and children back home - it was just considered not to be unusual for them to have a lover amongst the other soldiers while on campaign.

Yep, I actually thought that's who he was talking about when he mentioned gay soldiers. The Spartans were among the best soldiers in the anchient world but were raised to be soldiers from a young age and they spent majority of their time with other men. It was weird if they didn't have a male lover in fact.

Sparta was pretty forward thinking for the anchient world actually as the women had a far more active and powerful role in life as merchants and finances compared to other Greek provinces.

Didn't even know about the Egyptians. Have to look that one up.


Nope, they were Egyptians... what makes it more relevent in my mind is that it was a group of gay soldiers that was in a society that was mostly straight and had straight warriors.

A warrior society where gay acts took place isn't as relevent  because you could always aruge their warrior culture was the defining element of their strength and that the homosexuality was irrelevent or a negative...

However to show gay soldiers excelling in a society with straight soldiers... it accounts for much more variables and is a stronger arguement because you have both gay and straight warriors of the same group of people.

It's like the Female warriors of Dahomey and how they were superior to the male fighters.   It means more because there were male fighters there too of the same society for which to compare with.



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Salnax on 19 December 2010

I don't believe it...

Obama was able to accomplish something!



Love and tolerate.

Strategyking92 on 19 December 2010
myabsolution said:
Strategyking92 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Rath said:
Strategyking92 said:

hmm, not good considering this is my career path which I care deeply about.


Your career path is to be a homophobic soldier?

 

I'm glad this finally got through, the situation as it was made no sense.


A very homophobic soldier, sir.


And if you couldn't tell that was sarcasm, turn down the self superiority and read a book about "manners" and such.

Are you afraid you're going to be stuck in the trenches with a gay soldier asking you how he looks in his outfit or something?

Yes because I hate self centered people like that, he should be focusing on killing people. At the same rate, I'll pretty sure the Austro-Hungarians wouldn't be too appreciative of that sly little comment.



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Strategyking92 on 19 December 2010
Rath said:
Strategyking92 said:
Strategyking92 said:
 


A very homophobic soldier, sir.


And if you couldn't tell that was sarcasm, turn down the self superiority and read a book about "manners" and such.

I'll do that if you stop believing that gays should be discriminated against, deal?

Same tactics like the sea sheppards. I hate the sea sheppards.
So no, I will not relent in my objection, but it isn't like i'm ordering the holocaust or something as you imply, I believe that is very offenseive myself.



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Kasz216 on 19 December 2010
Salnax said:

I don't believe it...

Obama was able to accomplish something!


Sort of, afterall the vote only happened because they were going to be beat to the punch by the Log Cabin Republicans...

and the bill was proposed by Joe Liberman and Susan Collin... an independent and a Republican!



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Torillian on 19 December 2010
Kasz216 said:
Salnax said:

I don't believe it...

Obama was able to accomplish something!


Sort of, afterall the vote only happened because they were going to be beat to the punch by the Log Cabin Republicans...

and the bill was proposed by Joe Liberman and Susan Collin... an independent and a Republican!


I really don't see how you can give the Republican party in general credit for something that only 8 of them voted in favor of.  I mean yes it's great that a Republican proposed it, but it's not as though the Republican party was chomping at the bit to get the bill through.

Perhaps that isn't what you're trying to say, but it certainly seems like it when you say the bill only passed now so Republicans wouldn't get the credit.



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Kasz216 on 19 December 2010
Torillian said:
Kasz216 said:
Salnax said:

I don't believe it...

Obama was able to accomplish something!


Sort of, afterall the vote only happened because they were going to be beat to the punch by the Log Cabin Republicans...

and the bill was proposed by Joe Liberman and Susan Collin... an independent and a Republican!


I really don't see how you can give the Republican party in general credit for something that only 8 of them voted in favor of.  I mean yes it's great that a Republican proposed it, but it's not as though the Republican party was chomping at the bit to get the bill through.

Perhaps that isn't what you're trying to say, but it certainly seems like it when you say the bill only passed now so Republicans wouldn't get the credit.

I don't give then credit for it.

I don't give anyone in congress for it.

I give the" Log Cabin Republicans" credit for it.

Which aren't all Republicans by any means.

They deserve all the credit for branking ranks with their own party for their own freedoms.



Rath on 20 December 2010
Strategyking92 said:
Rath said:
Strategyking92 said:
Strategyking92 said:
 


A very homophobic soldier, sir.


And if you couldn't tell that was sarcasm, turn down the self superiority and read a book about "manners" and such.

I'll do that if you stop believing that gays should be discriminated against, deal?

Same tactics like the sea sheppards. I hate the sea sheppards.
So no, I will not relent in my objection, but it isn't like i'm ordering the holocaust or something as you imply, I believe that is very offenseive myself.

I'm not implying that you're ordering the holocaust. I'm implying you're a bigot.



sapphi_snake on 20 December 2010
Strategyking92 said:

Yes because I hate self centered people like that, he should be focusing on killing people. At the same rate, I'll pretty sure the Austro-Hungarians wouldn't be too appreciative of that sly little comment.

You are aware that that gays (at least the ones who would join the military) don't act that way right? Also, shouldn't the homophobic soldiers be focusing on doing their jobs, rather than caring what sexual orientation the guy sitting next to them is?



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kitler53 on 20 December 2010

in a lot of ways i think this is a great thing for progress and gay rights...

..but on the other hand i'm a bit more scared.  i always viewed giving a dude a blow job a viable alternative to getting drafted.