Don't ask don't tell repealed.

[Kasz216]

Scoobes said:

Rath said:

oldschoolfool said:

If they want to serve openly then more power to them,but why would they want to? I agree with the repeal,but my fear is that were going to see more incidents of discrimination pop up. I was in army for a very short time,so I know how some people are. So let me honestly ask the gay member's of vgchartz,why would you want to serve openly in the military and take the chance of getting discriminated against are possibly beat down bye some young punks. I'd hope that would'nt happen,but the military is a rough enviroment. Let me stress again,I have nothing against gay people and there desire to openly serve in the military if they so choose,but I just have concerns of were this is going to lead. I'm just trying to play devil's advacte and have an honest discussion about this.

Because they're proud of who they are? The way to end discrimination isn't to hide, it's to stand up.

@Kasz. And in the Greek military of the era (especially I think the Spartans?) it was also very common for there to be soldier lovers. They weren't gay as such from what I've read - they had wives and children back home - it was just considered not to be unusual for them to have a lover amongst the other soldiers while on campaign.

Yep, I actually thought that's who he was talking about when he mentioned gay soldiers. The Spartans were among the best soldiers in the anchient world but were raised to be soldiers from a young age and they spent majority of their time with other men. It was weird if they didn't have a male lover in fact.

Sparta was pretty forward thinking for the anchient world actually as the women had a far more active and powerful role in life as merchants and finances compared to other Greek provinces.

Didn't even know about the Egyptians. Have to look that one up.

Nope, they were Egyptians... what makes it more relevent in my mind is that it was a group of gay soldiers that was in a society that was mostly straight and had straight warriors.

A warrior society where gay acts took place isn't as relevent  because you could always aruge their warrior culture was the defining element of their strength and that the homosexuality was irrelevent or a negative...

However to show gay soldiers excelling in a society with straight soldiers... it accounts for much more variables and is a stronger arguement because you have both gay and straight warriors of the same group of people.

It's like the Female warriors of Dahomey and how they were superior to the male fighters.   It means more because there were male fighters there too of the same society for which to compare with.