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sapphi_snake on 18 October 2010
non-gravity said:
sapphi_snake said:

I was reffering mainly to the "We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here". Sorry, this has nothing to do with multi-culturalism. Is she gonna start throwing people out of Germany because they're not German?

The "Christian values" would refer to the foundations on which Western civilization has grown. They are Jewish, Christian, Roman and Greek or so.

Our modern values are about equality of man and women, free speech, democracy, human rights, etc.

They can sometimes differ from Eastern or Middle-Eastern values.

 

The Christian and Jewish influences areat best minimal today (despite what many people think).



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Homer_Simpson on 18 October 2010
sapphi_snake said:
Homer_Simpson said:

so either multiculturalism doesnt work...

OR

Right Wing governments just arent trying hard enough, because if it does work, they have to start being nice to people who dont conform to what they want them to be.

Truth be told, it's pretty hard for multiculturalism to work. For example immigrants coming from a country where the culture is sexist will probably have a hard time making their traditional culture survive in their new home country where equality between sexes is the norm.

it depends how you do it, even people who support multiculturalism do not support people being able to break the law and stuff, but beyond that if you are tolerant and people come and understand the laws, which you have to assume they do if they come to your nation, then I dont see why people cant get along.

besides, Germany is hardly a good example for either case, there main party is Christian so by its nature biased against many things for no good reason, tolerance is not something they know much about.



Acevil on 18 October 2010
Mistershine said:

Sounds fair to me:

Come to Germany and live like a German, or leave.

We should have this in the UK, but our 'leaders' are too soft.


I am pretty sure if things were Come to Germany and live like a German or Leave, most of Europe would really have a huge population decline from lack of immigrants. 

(I don't know what the B-D is in Germany, but I know in parts of Europe it is death is higher, but immigration makes up for it.)



 

sapphi_snake on 18 October 2010
UncleScrooge said:


Feel free to flame her as much as you want. Actually I encourage you to do so because I disagree with her. I'm a center-left, pro-european guy with muslim and immigrant friends. I always thought Merkel was a good chancellor but she lost me with the debate about financially supporting Greece when she showed, well, nationalist tendencies. (Don't confuse this with "Nazi", though )

Just to give some more insight: For weeks now the german media has gone crazy about the possibility of a far-right party emerging (like in many parts of western Europe) because some conservatives feel Merkel isn't conservative enough. I guess this is her trying to get right-wing voters back but as I said I never would've expected Merkel herself to actually do this. But her governing coaltion is polling below 35% right now (< 30% Conservatives (CDU) and < 5% Liberals (FDP) - at the 2009 elections the two parties got 34% and 14% of the vote, respectively. ) and she is in danger of loosing the regional elections in South-West Germany (Baden-Württemberg) to the Greens (yes, the greens ) and I guess she's very worried.

Oh my. The last thing Western Europe needs is parties as far right as those Republicans/Tea Party in the US. And who are those Greens you talk about? Some sort of hippie party?



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AnthonyW86 on 18 October 2010

I guess if you don't live in Western Europe you won't understand Angela Merkel is talking about. She is actually right you know. The fact that a lot of people bring up christianity proves my point, religion really isn't that important here anymore.



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UncleScrooge on 18 October 2010
Homer_Simpson said:
sapphi_snake said:
Homer_Simpson said:

so either multiculturalism doesnt work...

OR

Right Wing governments just arent trying hard enough, because if it does work, they have to start being nice to people who dont conform to what they want them to be.

Truth be told, it's pretty hard for multiculturalism to work. For example immigrants coming from a country where the culture is sexist will probably have a hard time making their traditional culture survive in their new home country where equality between sexes is the norm.

it depends how you do it, even people who support multiculturalism do not support people being able to break the law and stuff, but beyond that if you are tolerant and people come and understand the laws, which you have to assume they do if they come to your nation, then I dont see why people cant get along.

besides, Germany is hardly a good example for either case, there main party is Christian so by its nature biased against many things for no good reason, tolerance is not something they know much about.


This is not true at all. Our Minister of Foreign Affairs (in a conservative / liberal government) is openly homosexual (Guido Westerwelle), the Minister-President of the State of Lower Saxony (a conservative) is a Scottsman and has chances to become the head of federal government at some point (David McAllister), the conservatives are currently governing in a coalition government with the Green Party in the state of Hamburg and the Green Party leader is a muslim (Cem Özdemir).

I can go on if you want me to



NKAJ on 18 October 2010

Probably the most misleading thread title iv ever seen. Just because she wants immigrants to actually try and integrate themselves properly into Germany she is being compared to a mass-murderer.



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non-gravity on 18 October 2010
NKAJ said:

Probably the most misleading thread title iv ever seen. Just because she wants immigrants to actually try and integrate themselves properly into Germany she is being compared to a mass-murderer.


Some would rather die than integrate :p



Acevil on 18 October 2010
NKAJ said:

Probably the most misleading thread title iv ever seen. Just because she wants immigrants to actually try and integrate themselves properly into Germany she is being compared to a mass-murderer.


Seriously why don't we ever compare people to another mass-murderer like Stalin, why is HITLER THE STANDARD!



 

UncleScrooge on 18 October 2010
sapphi_snake said:
UncleScrooge said:


Feel free to flame her as much as you want. Actually I encourage you to do so because I disagree with her. I'm a center-left, pro-european guy with muslim and immigrant friends. I always thought Merkel was a good chancellor but she lost me with the debate about financially supporting Greece when she showed, well, nationalist tendencies. (Don't confuse this with "Nazi", though )

Just to give some more insight: For weeks now the german media has gone crazy about the possibility of a far-right party emerging (like in many parts of western Europe) because some conservatives feel Merkel isn't conservative enough. I guess this is her trying to get right-wing voters back but as I said I never would've expected Merkel herself to actually do this. But her governing coaltion is polling below 35% right now (< 30% Conservatives (CDU) and < 5% Liberals (FDP) - at the 2009 elections the two parties got 34% and 14% of the vote, respectively. ) and she is in danger of loosing the regional elections in South-West Germany (Baden-Württemberg) to the Greens (yes, the greens ) and I guess she's very worried.

Oh my. The last thing Western Europe needs is parties as far right as those Republicans/Tea Party in the US. And who are those Greens you talk about? Some sort of hippie party?


I agree about the right-wing parties. Although it has to be noted they are not anti-european, just anti islamic culture. It's really strange if you think about it.

The Greens actually were some sort of hippie-party during the early 80's but since their time in government from 1998 to 2005 (as the small coaltion partner of the Social Democrats) they've become more like traditional parties. They are currently polling above 20% in most polls. In Baden-Württemberg (South-West Germany) they are currently polling above 30% in polls regarding the regional elections which will be held in March next year.

Basically the Greens are against nuclear power and want the economy to be "greener" (more eco-friendly), they are a center-left party, are very pro immigration (the leader of the Greens is a muslim with turkish parents), very pro Europe and want the society to become more liberal (full rights for homosexuals, for instance).