Lame, hollow words that mean noithing. How about they turn the paedophiles over to the police? How action is taken over tjose who covered-up the abuse and protected the paedophiles? The Catholic Church is acting exactly like a criminal organisation, and if it weren't what it is the police would be all over it (like it should).

All the so called ´good ethics´ of christianity are derived from the old iranian religion zoroastrianism.

That´s why the german philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche uses the zoroastrian prophet Zarathustra as his alter-ego in his masterwork Aldus Sprach Zarathustra; cause he, Zarathustra, who 'introduced' the moral the christians derived their moral from, which Nietzsche so disliked, had to be be the one to destroy that same moral.

This in contrast to what some have said in the first posts of this topic.
This 'christian moral' does certainly not originate from greek philosophers; on the contrary, the greek had the opposite moral. They had a different definition of good and evil than the zoroastians and later christians have. (Only socrates comes close to this christian moral.)

I also find it funny by the way Manus that your opinion is that people are whitewashing history by admitting the pope willingly imprisoned his friend's for life if they called him an idiot.

@ superchunk

you said you readed the qur'an? LMAO
then you surely didn't read or understand the following:
Sura 2:106
"we do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that we bring forth (one) better than it or similar to it. do you not know that allah is over all things competent?"
Sura 2:256
“no compulsion in religion” (early mecca verse as mr. “love & peace™” still wore a mask to woo new converts and his preaching was sugary) abrogated (naskh) “canceled” through the later (medina) “verse of the sword”.
Sura 9:5
“kill the infidels wherever you find them.”

and PLEASE stop that obvious BS telling us 'islam is a religion of peace' as it absolutly isn't! islamic terrorists have carried out more than 16'264 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 in the name of islam!!! if you count all those of all the other religions together you wouldn't reach 200!!!
ProdigyBam was probablly right with the taqiyya part as you proved yourself. thanks for that. ;)

Its best to not insult people when you clearly havn't read the full chapters you are quoting, but probably just quoting crap other bias sites state. Additionally, you clearly have no clue about the history of the region, especially Islam itself.

RE: 2:106

If you keep 106 in context its obvious God is referring to past books and prophets (The "they" in the previous verses were referring to Jews). This is because others (Jews) were arguing that the Qur'an was altering some rules the Jews and others were told to follow and as such God is saying this Qur'an replaces the previous messages. Why? Because they are corrupted by man. Hence, why "We replace with a better or similar one." i.e. the Qur'an in its entirety.

RE: 2:256

2:256 (Y. Ali) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

This is exactly what it is supposed to be. You cannot kill people or force their religion. When Arab rule over various lands grew, it was just that Arab rule. Islam took hundreds of years to become the dominate religion in NAfrica, Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc. Hell if it was "by the sword" as you proclaim, then why are Hindu's still the dominate religion in India? Wouldn't Islamic rule for hundreds of years had squashed it all? Kinda doesn't fit your theory does it.

RE:9:5

I really wish people just took the time to actually read the Qur'an before they try to twist its meaning. Even before Islam, Mekkah was the center of pilgrimage by tens of thousands of nearly every religion. There were even Christian images and crosses inside it at the time. The Arab calendar of the time had always had sacred months where hostilities were stopped so commerce could flourish with the annual pilgrimage. So, the begining of this Surah is in regards of what the Muslims should do as they were currently in a state of war with the Pagans. Some wanted to keep fighting while others thought they should honor their customs in regards to the upcoming sacred month. Here was God's answer.

As you can see God says it was good to stop hostilities and during these months and to keep any treaty you make with anyone else. Then by verse 5 God is talking about those you have no treaty with are are still in the state of war that it is ok to continue that war UNLESS they ask for asylum or become Muslim. Verse 6 is repeated in almost any discussion in regards to war in the Qur'an. You must treat POWs humanly (keep in mind these rules were written hundreds of years before modern rules of war and treatment of prisoners) and you must allow them safe passage back home. EVen in war God is stressing peace. Knowing the history of the region allows you to know that during these sacred months many treaties were created and wars officially stopped. There are other parts of the Qur'an that discuss this important part about these sacred months.

As for your final paragraph and that idiotic count of "terrorism" lol. wtf. While I would never try to say that Muslims haven't used their religious beliefs for war a vast amount of time, I am also not so ignorant to know the difference between what is taught in the Qur'an and what is taught by a person seeking power and control over a populace. That is what extreamist do, they do exactly the same flat out lies that you did above about what the Qur'an says to get people to commit crimes in the name of God.

Additionally, you really need to read history a bit better. Christianity holds the clear title for most killed under its banner. Though I'm sure Islam is an easy 2nd. "Since 9/11" is such a crock of shit and cherry picking at its finest. Also, your 200 is way off as I count the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians at the hands of Israeli Defenses as well as settlers as terrorism and that far outweighs your count.

where did i insult you? LOL
i fully readed the qu'ran & have a good knowledge of history.
it's funny that websites where mentions the truth about islam are biased. maybe it is because they inform the 'infedels/unbelievers' about what really is going on.

You clearly have not read the Qur'an or know early Islamic history if you believe what's in that video.

Have you not read my reply above at all? How can you deny the full text which is at odds of what you are trying to suggest?

Parts of the video:

1. The Qur'an does not abrogate itself. As demonstrated above, the Qur'an abrogates previous books, i.e. the Torah and the Bible, as well as others. There are no peaceful and violent verses in the Qur'an that contradict. If you read the full text around any of these violent verses you understand the historical meaning and real context they were delivered. For rules of war as a defender, not attacker. Pull out any violent verse and you will see its relation to the war being described as well as ending in a call for peace.

2. All religions are intended as a way of life and they offer rules of how any society should govern itself. Interesting points on the video are ALL based on Hadiths, not the Qur'an. The Qur'an does not specify a way to choose a leader beyond the Prophet. A simply knowledge of Islamic history proves this as this is the sole reason why there are Sunni and Shia sects. One party (the majority) wanted a democratic vote to define who would lead after Muhammand's death. The others (shia and the minority) wanted a theocratic dynasty based on Muhammad's closest kin. The first three caliphs were democratically voted in, clearly showing Islam's preference for democracy. Additionally, Islam promotes freedom of speech and religion. Again, a study of the history around the Arab and Islamic empire proves this. Why did it take hundreds of years for Islam to become the dominate religion in these regions if these freedoms were not allowed? Why was Hinduism always the dominate religion in India when it was ruled by Islam for so long if these freedoms did not exist? Why was the only places on Earth where Jews flourished (beyond USA and present Israel) in Muslim lands and especially Muslim controlled Spain, an 800 year rule if these freedoms did not exist? Why? BECAUSE THEY DO EXIST IN THE QUR'AN, just not in Hadith literature which is what Shari'a law is primarily based on. This, in fact, is against the commands of the Qur'an as Muslims are not supposed to take any other book for law, yet they have created multitude of differing Hadiths that have actually taken preference above the Qur'an. Finally, every single punishment mentioned in that video (except hand being cut off for theft) is in Hadith and not the Qur'an.

3. Again, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Taqqiyah is not about being deceitful to nonMuslims for some grand scheme to convert everyone. Its about protecting your life. When this was recorded, the Muslim community was at war with the Pagans. Their caravans were continuously attacked and people killed because they were Muslims (really no different than the beginnings of any religion where the followers are attacked and killed by the established majority). So, it was told that they can lie about being Muslim, not about Islam itself, in order to protect their life and belongings.

I really don't see how you can't read my first response and realize you're wrong. Are you really so bad at reading comprehension that you can't see that your interpretation of these verses is simply wrong when you read the full text?

To be honest it's pretty stupid to have an argument over the bible or qu'ran. We should've been able to move on, shoudn't we? You can't read the bible nor the qu'ran word by word because both stem from different times. Neither of them teaches equality for men and women or morals as we see them today.

When we only judge each other by the worst he could possbly be - how can we make this world a peaceful place?

Neither christians nor muslims will oppose an honest offer to live side by side.

I thought we had overcome judging people by their religion.

the qur'an DON'T abrogates previous books but itself, that IS CLEARLY stated in it also there are peacefull & hate verses where contradict themself. in contrast, the islamic 'wannabe religion' states since the beginning all non-muslims as inferior and free to kill. to him we (western countries) are "Dar al Harb", i.e. war country. islam sees itself in 14 centuries at war with us, now active in war and raids, sometimes seemingly passive in the cease-fire with foul play, and at any time breach of contract (exemple: palistinian rocket attacks on jerusalem during peacetalks). islam does not want peace with non-muslims, since it only will be peace if islam will reign all over the world as the one and only religion and sharia law is installed everywhere. btw: it would be bold & arrogant the qur'an abrogates other books but you aren't allowed to change anything in the so called holly book qur'an as it's binding for all eternity.

let's hear something said by a high muslim scholar of the qur'an:
the blind sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman from Al-Azhar University in Cairo probably had the intellectual look through, as he said to a students question about the peacefulness in the qur'an in front of over five hundred students:
"my brother, there is a whole sura, the" The spoils of war is ". there are no sura where means "peace". the jihad and the killing are the head of Islam, if one takes them out, then islam is beheaded"

the killing of 'infidels' is the major difference between islam and other religions. 

i think i'll start reading the Qu'ran soon.

i didnt ever have a religious book in my hand, not even the Bible, but i want to know what can be taken for truth, and what is, in the end, BS.

The Video you've linked Duke, really makes me feel strange. if that's true.. dunno... but that's why i may start reading it the next day's. i wanna know the truth.

but back to the topic of merkel and Hitler. Today, i saw a video from something that happened ..3  months?.. ago. 3 Guys (15-15-18) were asking another Guy (20) for Money. he didnt gave them any, and so they have thrashed him until he was unconcious., and after, they even kicked his head several times. (the doctors said that he was 2 kicks away from death) and still, he isnt fully recovered. all 3 are going to jail, the fifteen years for a short time period, the older one for 4 (?) Years. (dunno exactly anymore)

but the thing that was really shit afterwards ( the TV News were showing what was happening infront of the court) was, that ALL of the relative's of the offenders were calling the victim a pussy, and that they would actually help the own kids out if they were up to do it again n' stuff.

i mean, wtf?