DukeOfLuxembourg said:
@ superchunk
you said you readed the qur'an? LMAO
then you surely didn't read or understand the following:
Sura 2:106
"we do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that we bring forth (one) better than it or similar to it. do you not know that allah is over all things competent?"
Sura 2:256
“no compulsion in religion” (early mecca verse as mr. “love & peace™” still wore a mask to woo new converts and his preaching was sugary) abrogated (naskh) “canceled” through the later (medina) “verse of the sword”.
Sura 9:5
“kill the infidels wherever you find them.”
and PLEASE stop that obvious BS telling us 'islam is a religion of peace' as it absolutly isn't! islamic terrorists have carried out more than 16'264 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 in the name of islam!!! if you count all those of all the other religions together you wouldn't reach 200!!!
ProdigyBam was probablly right with the taqiyya part as you proved yourself. thanks for that. ;)
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Its best to not insult people when you clearly havn't read the full chapters you are quoting, but probably just quoting crap other bias sites state. Additionally, you clearly have no clue about the history of the region, especially Islam itself.
RE: 2:106
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2:101 (Y. Ali) And when there came to them an apostle from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!
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2:102 (Y. Ali) They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew!
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2:103 (Y. Ali) If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil, far better had been the reward from their Lord, if they but knew!
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2:104 (Y. Ali) O ye of Faith! Say not (to the Messenger. words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken (to him): To those without Faith is a grievous punishment.
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2:105 (Y. Ali) It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding.
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2:106 (Y. Ali) None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
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2:107 (Y. Ali) Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Him ye have neither patron nor helper.
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If you keep 106 in context its obvious God is referring to past books and prophets (The "they" in the previous verses were referring to Jews). This is because others (Jews) were arguing that the Qur'an was altering some rules the Jews and others were told to follow and as such God is saying this Qur'an replaces the previous messages. Why? Because they are corrupted by man. Hence, why "We replace with a better or similar one." i.e. the Qur'an in its entirety.
RE: 2:256
2:256 (Y. Ali) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
This is exactly what it is supposed to be. You cannot kill people or force their religion. When Arab rule over various lands grew, it was just that Arab rule. Islam took hundreds of years to become the dominate religion in NAfrica, Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc. Hell if it was "by the sword" as you proclaim, then why are Hindu's still the dominate religion in India? Wouldn't Islamic rule for hundreds of years had squashed it all? Kinda doesn't fit your theory does it.
RE:9:5
I really wish people just took the time to actually read the Qur'an before they try to twist its meaning. Even before Islam, Mekkah was the center of pilgrimage by tens of thousands of nearly every religion. There were even Christian images and crosses inside it at the time. The Arab calendar of the time had always had sacred months where hostilities were stopped so commerce could flourish with the annual pilgrimage. So, the begining of this Surah is in regards of what the Muslims should do as they were currently in a state of war with the Pagans. Some wanted to keep fighting while others thought they should honor their customs in regards to the upcoming sacred month. Here was God's answer.
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9:1 (Y. Ali) A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
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9:2 (Y. Ali) Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
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9:3 (Y. Ali) And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
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9:4 (Y. Ali) (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
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9:5 (Y. Ali) But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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9:6 (Y. Ali) If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
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As you can see God says it was good to stop hostilities and during these months and to keep any treaty you make with anyone else. Then by verse 5 God is talking about those you have no treaty with are are still in the state of war that it is ok to continue that war UNLESS they ask for asylum or become Muslim. Verse 6 is repeated in almost any discussion in regards to war in the Qur'an. You must treat POWs humanly (keep in mind these rules were written hundreds of years before modern rules of war and treatment of prisoners) and you must allow them safe passage back home. EVen in war God is stressing peace. Knowing the history of the region allows you to know that during these sacred months many treaties were created and wars officially stopped. There are other parts of the Qur'an that discuss this important part about these sacred months.
As for your final paragraph and that idiotic count of "terrorism" lol. wtf. While I would never try to say that Muslims haven't used their religious beliefs for war a vast amount of time, I am also not so ignorant to know the difference between what is taught in the Qur'an and what is taught by a person seeking power and control over a populace. That is what extreamist do, they do exactly the same flat out lies that you did above about what the Qur'an says to get people to commit crimes in the name of God.
Additionally, you really need to read history a bit better. Christianity holds the clear title for most killed under its banner. Though I'm sure Islam is an easy 2nd. "Since 9/11" is such a crock of shit and cherry picking at its finest. Also, your 200 is way off as I count the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians at the hands of Israeli Defenses as well as settlers as terrorism and that far outweighs your count.
