The Qur'an is the Qur'an. It doesn't matter where he received his visions. The Qur'an was created over a long period of time and was always relavent to what was happening in the community at that time.

In the beginning in Mekkah it was simply general religious thoughts and issues surrounding the injustices of that community, such as equality of women, slaves, orphans, etc. After the migration to Medinah it was concerning the make up of the new purely Muslim community, its relationship to the Jewish people who were also there and predominitely how to defend yourself against the continued attacks from the pagan Mekkans who felt they (the Muslims) were a threat to Mekkahs dominance and entire financial structure. So, yes its only natural that the latter had more to do with war as war was prevalent.

Taqqya is a horrible action that is not condoned in the Qur'an as you should never fear your religious identity. It is a Hadith issue and not a teaching of the Qur'an, in fact it goes against the very verse I quoted previously. Also, it means to hide your faith which I certainly am not doing in this thread or any thread I've discussed Islam previously.

I simply have read the Qur'an (as well as numerous other religious works) multiple times as well as studied extensive Middle Eastern and overall religious history. I don't blindly follow anyone without reading the source myself and discerning my own opinion. You simply can't accept anything but the twisted logic of biased sources and then use extreamists points of view to support your ideas. Ignoring the fact that these views are contradictory to a great portion of the Qur'an and each and every single verse utilized for these actions is clearly taken out of context of the rest of the Qur'an and the verses just above/below it.

Didn't the Catholic Church protect the priests and cover-up these terrible deeds from the police? Basically, it was acting like a criminal organisation.

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Okay, then its clearly a quote from the time in mekka, what means, that it isnt valid anymore as newer quotes from medina anull older ones (from mekka) when they are the complete opposite.

so my point still stands, christian and jews (whether they are viewed ase "the people of the book") have to be killed from the muslims according to the quran.

jesus, you cant tell me lies when muslims arent even allowed to be friends with non-muslims, or else they will burn in hell (according to quran)

"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (quran 5:51)

"You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."

(quran 5:80)

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RE: bolded.... wtf? This is not the Bible. There is no NT and OT. There is no nullification of other text. That is a bunch of garbage. The Qur'an is one whole text the mekkah/medinah verses are mixed all throughout so its just about impossible to distinguish between which proves that ignoring 'medinah' verses is simply illogical and wrong.

RE: 5:51 (Y. Ali) O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

5:51 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another [72] and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide such evildoers.

This is in relation to the previous verses where God is chastising the Jews and Christians for forgetting what their prophets had said and altering their religion for their own vain desires. Its warning Muslims to not do the same thing and becoming their friends is a potential way to begin to follow their path of self destruction. Its a warning to remain on Islam's best path vs following the path of those who failed to listen.  Notice my translation also includes 'protectors' and the other translation used 'allies', as this is also in relation to not trusting them as the Jews in Medinah during that time had back-stabbed the Muslim agreements and helped the pagan Arabs. It is not a general statement to not be friends with others.

RE: 5:80... two translations

5:78 (Asad) THOSE of the children of Israel who were bent on denying the truth have [already] been cursed by the tongue of David and of Jesus, the son of Mary? [93] this, because they rebelled [against God] and persisted in transgressing the bounds of what is right. -

5:79 (Asad) They would not prevent one another from doing whatever hateful things they did: vile indeed was what they were wont to do! -

5:80 (Asad) [And now] thou canst see many of them allying themselves with those who are bent on denying the truth! [So] vile indeed is what their passions make them do [94] that God has condemned them; and in suffering shall they abide.

This a continuation of that scolding of the Jews and the immediate verses before 5:80 are a direct relation to the back-stab I just mentioned. The 'them' in 5:80 are the Jews who turned away from Muslims and to the 'unbelievers' i.e. the pagen Arabs. Its a continued warning to not trust these Jews as they have proven to be untrustworthy and instead took friends of the unbelievers. It has nothing to do, again, with Muslims in general not being friends with others.

Again, you need to actually read the Qur'an and consider the full text not just random samples with biased and wrong assertions from obviously biases sites.

To continue 5:80 helps my point. Jews were considered untrustworthy the most because of how they treated the Muslim group whereas Christians in Ethiopia had earlier been very trustworthy and helpfull earlier.

Hello OFF TOPIC means OFF TOPIC!!!

You don't have to come into these types of threads if you don't want to read the material.

Hi, Wessle.

Basically, you're in Off Topic. You know, the place where you used to post those random hilarious nonsensical threads.

We don't post gaming threads in here. Hence the name, "Off Topic", "topic" in this case referring to the broad area of gaming.

Firstly, the Hitler comparison is stupid, but we got Godwin's Law out of the way nice and early, I suppose. I might as well respond to the original comments rather than the pages of inevitable Islam-bashing (justified or not) which followed.

As everyone has said, it's perfectly reasonable to demand that immigrants speak the country's language. If you want to live somewhere, you should learn to communicate and integrate to some degree. Learning a language does not violate your cultural identity or whatever.

When you immigrate, it is your duty to work and help the country. You haven't been allowed in to live off benefits. You have moved to, in this case, Germany, and you should be working to improve it; this should be your condition for being allowed to remain in the country. Locals should, of course, also be working, but that is a separate issue.

It's probably quite clear to those who know me that I detest all forms of extremist religion. When you're reading a two-thousand year old vaguely-scientific storybook, you can't really take it literally, not least because it contradicts itself over and over again. The United Declaration of Human Rights was written a solid 1900 years after the Bible. It has the advantage of those extra 1900 years of human knowledge. Every country's laws (or, at least, those who don't follow religious law) change on quite a regular basis to adapt to the changing state of the country's residents and the world. In an ideal world, in my opinion, we would have nobody wearing burqas, nobody burning Qur'ans, nobody *hides under a table* praying five times a day or any such thing.

But, whatever. Your life, go ahead and do what you like. To a certain extent.

When your behaviour is interfering with the lives of the people in a country, be it religious or otherwise, you have to change or leave. The whole country should not have to adapt to a tiny minority of people. So, if you want to go to church/mosque/synagogue/mandir/whatever, go ahead. If you want to pray five times a day, that's fine. If you want to wear a burqa (which I highly doubt anyone does, but again, separate issue), then by all means do, unless your doing so is somehow inconvenient to those around you.

You shouldn't be asking for concessions. If you don't like swimming in a swimming pool with transparent walls and ceilings, surrounded by trees, (British example, true story), then by all means don't swim in it. Don't swim at all, if you don't want to. But you have no place, when you are part of a minority (this would, of course, apply to a small group of Christians/atheists who objected) telling the local authority to make the windows opaque "because it offends your religion". The local authority's reply should, in this case, be a more tactful variant of "Go fuck yourself", rather than a timid acceptance.

I think (hope) that this is what Angela Merkel is getting at. She's just throwing in the word "Christian" because it's in her party's name, and she gets to assume the moral high ground. Slightly tasteless, but not exactly fascist. All she's saying, as far as I can see, is that immigrants should try to integrate with German culture, should curb religious practises which interfere with the smooth running of the country, and should speak the language.

The CDU is non-denominational. Are they in dire need of a name change? Yes. Are they some sort of Christian equivalent of Hamas, the Taliban or the ruling party in Iran? No.

no! the pope said he wants to clear this up.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pope-to-uk-deeply-sorry-for-sex-abuse-of-ch/683524/