At first @Saphi:

did you want to tell that we arent Saints?  Then you are completely right. There are, over here in Germany, more then enough idiots with fully german roots, like it is in every country. Since every person is different, every Country has its bad/lazy people, aswell as the good ones. (though beeing 'bad' is a matter of opinion)

@Prodigy:

sorry, but i know example's of exactly those germans. they are proud of themselfes, no matter if they are drunken day in day out, without any work or respect for others, but still, they dont get why they are left alone and get aggressive.

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So, and after this is out of the way, i have to agree with you partly, Prodigy: Killing his ol' Girlfriend for leaving, is simply a big exception, a thing, done by really sick Individuals.On the other Side, Muslims are doing it to keep their honor.. or whatever, and thats sick.

@Saphi:

Why should the roots be mentioned? Dunno either, but that the crime rate of immigrants is increasing everyday is something that shouldnt be ignored, so why should we hide it?

Its like in Harry Potter.. if you say lord Voldemorts name, youre screwed.

Inaccurate.  Laughable.

Christianity dominated Europe and, along with Christian Barbarians, threw us into the Dark Ages for over a thousand years.  During these Christian dark ages, not being a Christian was a very bad idea.  Before then, during the Roman Empire, people were free to worship whatever God they wanted.  Rome allowed free practice for the numerous religions in their empire, with the only stipulations being that you can't disrespect Roman gods and you can't revolt against Rome (the Jews refused to acknowledge Roman gods, and that was okay with Rome until the Jews revolted, which resulted in the destruction of the Jewish Temple).  This was the norm long before Rome, as Europe had always been very secular and viewed the gods of other people as gods, just not their gods.  A counquered people would be subject to the conquerer's god, as they did conquer your god and would demand respect, but the conquerer didn't want to upset the god of the people they conquered, for fear of angrying their god.  The view that every religion was acceptable made pre-Christian Europe very secular and tolerant.

Fast forward to the Renaissance, which you laughable attribute the Christianity.  The Renaissance and the use of reason was a retreat from Christianity.  People gained interest in the philosophy of pre-Christian times (Greeks and Romans) and started to view rationalism reason as a better method to solving problems and answering questions rather than the Christian God.  There is a reason why so many thinkers during this period were punished by the Church, they were using reason rather than religion, such as Galileo using science to answer questions about the orbit of Earth rather than the Bible...

Unless there are actual studies that show that turkish immigants are more likely to abuse their girlfriends, it's really inappropriate for the media to put much emphasis on the nationality/race of the gut (FTR, I'm reffering to the case of the guy who killed his girlfirend).

The act itself was not somewthing unheard of, as men killing their girlfriends for dumping them is something that happens in European countries and in North America. The cause for such acts is jealousy, which in an universal human emotion. It was not something outstanding, like a honor killing, that could be exclusively attributed to muslims ( their religion/culture being the main reason why such acts are commited) case in which it's important to mention that the perpetrator was a muslim.

If the media singles out cases that don't deserve such attention, like this case with the turkish guy killing his girlfriend, it will create a distortioned view of reality, which may draw negative consequences for minority groups. The media should point out ethnicity/religion when it matters (like for example in the case of honor killings), not in a trivial case, like one of a jealous, possesive man killing his girlfriend for leaving him (a gesture which many crazy men of all races, ethnicities or religions commit).

@ProdigyBam:

Problem is, it just happens almost every day and that was just an example.

I don't know in what world you're livingin if you think that's characteristic to muslim men.

NO normal german guy would kill his girlfriedn if she wantsto leave him, but many muslims do that

Honestly, do you think anyone who'd do that (German, Turk, whatever) can be considered "normal"?

seriously, just tell me where are you from?

I'm from Romania. You could've found that out if you checked my profile. It's not a secret or anything.

On the dark ages:

Films and novels often use the term "Dark Age" with its implied meaning of a time of backwardness. For instance, the popular movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail humorously portrays knights and chivalry, following in a tradition begun with Don Quixote. The 2007 television show The Dark Ages from The History Channel called the Dark Ages "600 years of degenerate, godless, inhuman behavior".^[38]

The public idea of the Middle Ages as a supposed "Dark Age" is also reflected in misconceptions regarding the study of nature during this period. The contemporary historians of science David C. Lindberg and Ronald Numbers discuss the widespread popular belief that the Middle Ages were a "time of ignorance and superstition", the blame for which is to be laid on the Christian Church for allegedly "placing the word of religious authorities over personal experience and rational activity", and emphasize that this view is essentially a caricature.^[39]

For instance, a claim that was first propagated in the 19th century^[40][41] and is still very common in popular culture is the supposition that all people in the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat. According to Lindberg and Numbers, this claim was mistaken: "There was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".^[41][42]

Ronald Numbers states that misconceptions such as "the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages", "the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science", and "the medieval Christian church suppressed the growth of natural philosophy" are examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, although they are not supported by current historical research.^[43]

Beyond that, the renaissance was absolutely not a retreat from Christianity, but it was a movement away from orthodox views; most of the most famous artists and thinkers in the renaissance were deeply religious people, and most of the most famous works were religious in nature.

How could the view that answers should be obtained from reason and not from God not be a retreat from Christianity?  Yes, Renaissance thinkers were religious people, but they didn't get their answers from God and the Bible, they developed their answers without God.  Which is why they were being punished by the Church, or publishing their works on their death bed.

A good example would be a Christan who use to believe in Creationism but now believes in Evolution.  Instead of getting their answers from God, the Bible, or religious leaders, they are getting their answers from the methods outside of Christianity.  How could that not be a retreat from Christianity?

Yeah... funny thing about Galieo.

A)  He wasn't killed because of Heliocentrism.  He was killed because he called the pope a simpleton, in his book the pope specifically allowed him to publish by his own authority at a time when the pope was considered "weak" and feared assassanation.

Pope and Galieo were usually good friends.

B) Scientifically he was wrong.

His basic entire premise for the earth's rotation was that a High Tide only happens once a day.  Which it doesn't.   It happens twice a day.  He KNEW this was the case but chalked it up to the meditranian being so small or some other factor that could explain why there were two tides here instead of one like there was no doubt anywhere else in the world.

Talking about heliocentrism as a theory was fine with the church, they were fine in general changing their beliefs in concordance with science.   However they demanded you have actual... you know proof.   Which Galieo didn't have.  He challenged the accepted scientific theory of with another, that was actually less correct at the time then the established based on what they know of the world.  Since the model already inplace actually was as observably correct as helicentrism AND allowed things such as dual tides... like actually existed.

It wasn't just the Church that though Galieo mad, but pretty much all of science.  In fact a large number of those calling for his persecution inside the church were in fact... scientists.  Galeio was perscuted in fact, by fellow scientists for bad science. 

Galieo basically fell victim too "I want this to be true, so how can I rationalize it as true."  His only saving grace was that he was actually right, and that the basis the world.... and he was working on was wrong.   Only he didn't know it.

Should he have been killed?  No, would it of mattered?  No.  Nobody would of believed him anyway since his theory was less demonstrably true then the actual theory until more powerful telescopes were created... in i believe the 1800's.  The church wasn't killing someone because of their idea.  They were killing someone with an unproven, unscientifically decided on opinion who called the pope an idiot.

Ok Kasz.  Copernicus and Galileo just got lucky with their hair-brained theories, the Church was just trying to find the truth, lol.

Dude, look up the info yourself.... go ahead and you know... read Galeio's book.

You do know what he called it right?  Dialogue on the Ebb and Flow of the Sea.

Compare what was known then with the two theories, heliocentrism and the form of Geocentrism they were using at the time.  I forget the exact name now, but it involved many different roations of different types.

Galieo was like someone argueing sub atomic particles existed before the subatomic microscope.

There is a reason why this is the actual prevailing view of... you know... historians and scientists... vs crackball made up history like "The Italians didn't fund Columbus and he had to go to spain because they thought he'd fall off the earth!"

Galileo wrote more than one book.  Hmm, here is another book Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, its the one that upset the church, you know because the Church told him not to have the idea of heliocentrism and banned Copernicus' theory.

You are realling going to have to start thinking for yourself and stop getting your ideas from whoever is spoon feeding them to you.  This type of ignorant revisionist history is to be laughed at and to be feared at the same time.