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sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

Right ... Giving an honest assessment of a problem that is emerging in many western nations is the equivalent of being one of the worst mass murderers in history.

Honest? One of the biggest problems in Western nations is forcing people to become Christian?

"Christian values" and "Christian" is a difference

still, germany (and all of europe for that matter) is for the most part christian and so is our culture, our morals views and our politics, its all tied with the christian values, it doesnt mean that all non-christians have to leave, just that the muslims arent allowed to view a man "as the value of 2 women" (quran) or that they just kill every non muslim how its told in the quran, just saying...

 

and btw

merkel and cdu are not conservative anymore, since 2005 exactly, there are left winged, here in germany we dont have conservative partys anymore, thats a reason why everybody is agreeing with thilo sarrazin, because the politicians (like merkel) ignore what 90% of the people here think (90% agreed with sarrazins statements according to a poll)

and the media is (just like the politics) very left winged here, you arent allowed to say "turk murdered his girlfriend because she didnt want to be with him anymore" you must say (to be "politically correct") "southman (thats normally spain or italy) murdered his girlfriend and so on"

Or just change "mustafa" to "klaus", its no problem here, sadly...

but after 5-10 years germany will wake up, just like netherlands and france are right now

hopefully...



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY

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The Germans, for obvious reasons, prefer their politicians dull. The current German chancellor, Angela Merkel, more than meets local expectations. So on the rare occasion when Merkel says something vivid, something important must be going on.

It is.

Speaking in Potsdam on Saturday, Chancellor Merkel told a gathering of young Christian Democrats that multiculturalism has failed.

That might seem to be saying the obvious.

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Item: December 20, 2007. Two young men are smoking on a Munich subway train, where smoking is prohibited. A fellow passenger, a 76-year-old pensioner, asks them to stop. What happened next was captured on surveillance cameras. The young men call the old man a "s--- German" and savagely beat and kick him, fracturing his skull. Other passengers on the train failed to intervene. One of the attackers was a Greek immigrant, 17. The other, 20, was born in Germany of Turkish parents.

The Munich train story captured the attention of the country, symbolizing an apparent deterioration of public order driven by multicultural immigration. After the attack, Hesse governor Roland Koch asked:: "How much are we prepared to take from a small proportion of violent youths, who frequently have a foreign background?" There are more than 15 million people living in Germany who were either born outside Germany or whose parents were born outside Germany. That amounts to almost 20 percent of the population.

This immigrant population is disproportionately connected to almost all of the social problems of modern Germany. Yet the problem that has transfixed the country is, very understandably, the problem of crime. In Berlin, young men of immigrant stock are three times as likely to commit a crime as young men of German background, reports Germany's state broadcaster, Deutsche Welle. In a September interview, Chancellor Merkel endorsed claims that religious young men of Muslim origin were more likely to commit acts of violence than other young Germans.

These crimes seem increasingly the work of criminal gangs of immigrant origin that organize resistance to police authority in what the German media -- with tabloid exaggeration -- increasingly call "No Go areas." Violent assaults upon police officers jumped 60 percent between 2005 and 2009, according to the German newspaper Bild.

Less spectacular -- but as important to ordinary people's feelings of security -- is the perceived deterioration of public order: declining schools, rising welfare rolls and foiled terrorist attacks.

Because of very low birth rates among old-stock Germans, the proportion of foreign-born is highest among those younger than 20s. In the poor Berlin neighborhood of Wedding, three out of four students and at least half the parents lived on unemployment benefits and welfare, even before the global economic crisis. In 2005, The New York Times interviewed a teacher in a Wedding high school:

"In Wedding, [Evelyn] Rühle says, immigrant children today speak poorer German and have less contact with German culture than when she started teaching 20 years ago. Many Muslim students ... go to Koran classes outside of school and speak only Turkish or Arabic at home. Meanwhile, the growth of digital television has made a host of Turkish- and Arabic-language channels available, intensifying language problems and nurturing identities that are informed more by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the war in Iraq than by the local German environment."

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A high-tech economy offers few opportunities for the poorly educated, with the result that immigrants and their children increasingly find themselves dependent on public assistance.

In the United States, immigrants are less likely than the native-born to collect welfare or other social benefits. In Europe, immigrants are radically more likely than the native-born to collect welfare and social benefits, with Third World immigrants collecting the most of all. That's the findings of a 2005 study by researchers at Prague's Charles University.

European voters have absorbed these uncomfortable data into a suspicious view of newcomer intentions: According to a recent study by the Friedrich Ebert think tank, 34.3 percent of Germans believe that migrants come to Germany primarily to receive welfare benefits.

Merkel's Potsdam speech did not cite those social problems.

In Germany, the problems created by immigration literally go without saying, and those who do try to talk about them rapidly find themselves ejected from public life. Thilo Sarrazin, a governor of the Bundesbank (and it's worth mentioning, a member of the left-of-center Social Democratic party) was pressured to resign his post in September after publishing a book arguing the failure of Germany's absorption of immigrants.

Yet in the words of Sigmund Freud, the repressed always return.

Even if Germany and the other European Union countries can prevent the immigration population from growing -- and that is a very uncertain if -- they must find ways to deal with integrating the immigrant population already present, both first- and second- generation.

It's safe to say that no country in Europe is succeeding at that all-important job.

Two weeks ago, I visited the British city of Birmingham.

In 2005, the city had been torn by riots that erupted about 50 yards from the lawyer's office in which I met with four community activists. The riots were sparked when a rumor spread through the neighborhood's Afro-Caribbean population that some Asian youths had gang-raped a black girl. That rumor proved false, but only after blacks and Asians had fought two days of street battles that left two people dead.

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I asked these local leaders how things had changed since 2005. The answer: not very much at all.

The authorities had responded to the riots by infusing more money into the community and by intensifying police patrols.

But the mutual suspicions between groups had not been allayed. Problems of integration remained. One of the four activists I met was obviously uncomfortable speaking English, even though born and raised in the United Kingdom. One said to me very poignantly: "The British don't know who they are, so they can't teach us how to adapt."

On the other hand, it's not so clear how much the newcomers want to adapt. The man who spoke poor English had spent his entire life inside an Islamic school system, memorizing the Quran in Arabic. Hard to see how that form of knowledge would equip anyone for life in a modern technological society.

Chancellor Merkel's Potsdam speech raised the question: Could more be done to accelerate immigrant adaptation? Unfortunately the speech offered few answers.

Quietly, some Europeans are wondering whether Europe -- by stumbling into an American-style immigration policy -- has willy-nilly forced itself to follow other American policies as well:

-- Tougher law enforcement and longer prison sentences to fight crime.

-- A less generous welfare state that compels migrants to work rather than collect benefits paid for by the native-born.

-- A stronger assertion of national identity -- and a more emphatic demand that newcomers adapt to the existing society.

These days, many American conservatives are warning that the United States is going the way of Europe. But maybe the real story is the reverse: Is it Europe that will soon be imitating the United States?

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of David Frum.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-18/opinion/frum.merkel.multicultural_1_germany-s-merkel-chancellor-merkel-angela-merkel?_s=PM:OPINION



Slimebeast said:

Germany is about to implode because of mass immigration and when its leader asks people to accept its Christian values she's being compared to Adolf Hitler.

How times have changed.

You try to be humane and tolerant and they'll just piss in your face! European immigration policy is a complete failure.


I know your are from europe, because you tell the truth

the people here just have no clue, they shouldnt talk

discriminating muslims?! wtf?!

germans are being discriminated here in germany from muslims, thats how it works!

the muslims get everything here, education, money, a home, religious freedom mosques

and they dont even accept, that they have to learn the language and respect our culture, instead there are news every day, that someone got stabbed in the back by a turk for no reason

in berlin, someone whos german, is always in danger because of the muslims (turks)

the immigrants who make trouble here are never italian, polish, vietnamesian or someone else (im not frim germany myself)

its always arabs and turks who complain and complain, but dont work and live from our money

 

and LOL at that statement i just read

"Muslims are the most discrimnated people in the world"

yeah, tell that the christians and jews in the islamic world who dont have any rights and get killed for no reason

its no hazard that 8 of the top 10 countries where christians are most discriminated are muslim countries (with the first place being north korea)

 

PLEASE people, if you dont know ANYTHING dont talk about it, inform yourself first

thanks!

it just pisses me off, people like you are the reason why europe will get into big trouble...



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ProdigyBam said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

Right ... Giving an honest assessment of a problem that is emerging in many western nations is the equivalent of being one of the worst mass murderers in history.

Honest? One of the biggest problems in Western nations is forcing people to become Christian?

"Christian values" and "Christian" is a difference

still, germany (and all of europe for that matter) is for the most part christian and so is our culture, our morals views and our politics, its all tied with the christian values, it doesnt mean that all non-christians have to leave, just that the muslims arent allowed to view a man "as the value of 2 women" (quran) or that they just kill every non muslim how its told in the quran, just saying...

 

and btw

merkel and cdu are not conservative anymore, since 2005 exactly, there are left winged, here in germany we dont have conservative partys anymore, thats a reason why everybody is agreeing with thilo sarrazin, because the politicians (like merkel) ignore what 90% of the people here think (90% agreed with sarrazins statements according to a poll)

and the media is (just like the politics) very left winged here, you arent allowed to say "turk murdered his girlfriend because she didnt want to be with him anymore" you must say (to be "politically correct") "southman (thats normally spain or italy) murdered his girlfriend and so on"

Or just change "mustafa" to "klaus", its no problem here, sadly...

but after 5-10 years germany will wake up, just like netherlands and france are right now

hopefully...

I can understand why you may feel frustrated, but do you think that muslim men are the only ones who do such things? Why should the fact that the guy was a turk be mentioned at all?

Also, sexual equality didn't evolve from Christianity, so if it's wrong in the West to think of a man "as the value of two women", that certainly isn't a merit of Christianity (where women are viewed negatively), but of feminists.



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ProdigyBam said:

but after 5-10 years germany will wake up, just like netherlands and france are right now

hopefully...

ich hoffe es wird keine 5-10 jahre dauern bis die meisten deutsche aufwachen, denn dann ist es möglicherweise schon zu spät. ich befürchte das schlimmste falls die SPD & die Grünen es tatsächlich schaffen sollten die nächsten wahlen zu gewinnen!!!



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sapphi_snake said:

@Barozi:

Freedom of religion, a Christian value? - That's a secular value, not a Chirsitan one.

No forced marriages, a Chrisitan value? - It was practiced by Chrisitans up until a century ago. It's a cultural value, that has nothing to do with religion.

Equality for women, a Chrisitan value? - Islam has that one too. But in both Islam and Chrisitanity women are considered to be "equal" to men, but "different", each having already established roles (a woman's place is in the home, the man is the provider etc.). The "equality" between genders in Chrisitanity is totally different from teh actual equality in modern Western society.

She doesn't want anyone to become Christian with that statement.

Forcing someone to subscribe to the values of a certain religion is no different than forcing them to convert to said religion. Religion is something personal, so individuals can choose to follow the values of a certain religion, however society at large musn't adhere to the moral teachings of any religion, if religious freedom is something that society strives for of course.

"The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (Quran (4:11))

"and the men are a degree above them [women]" (Quran 2:228)

 

please just close your mouth, if you dont have any clue what your are talking about



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

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DukeOfLuxembourg said:
ProdigyBam said:
 

but after 5-10 years germany will wake up, just like netherlands and france are right now

hopefully...

ich hoffe es wird keine 5-10 jahre dauern bis die meisten deutsche aufwachen, denn dann ist es möglicherweise schon zu spät. ich befürchte das schlimmste falls die SPD & die Grünen es tatsächlich schaffen sollten die nächsten wahlen zu gewinnen!!!


Ich glaube mit der SPD sind wir noch gut bedient, geht eher in die Tendenz Linke-Grüne.

Schade, dass die deutschen dank unserer meinungsmacher medien nicht aus der vergangenheit gelernt haben.

Unsere konservative politik in den 50 und 60er jahren unter adenauer etc hat uns nach vorne gebracht, 1980 waren wir das 3. reichste land der erde heute nur noch platz 13, man kann sich denken wieso, aber desto schlechter es dem staat geht, umso mehr wählen die deutschen noch dümmer.

schau dir einfach mal berlin in, ist einfach krass was da abgeht, ich könnte echt heulen.

ich hoffe nur, dass unsere jetzige intergrationsdebatte noch gute früchte trägt, jemand wie sarrazin oder wilders bräuchten wir in der politik, ich mein, die anderen europäischen staaten blickens doch langsam auch und wählen weiter rechts...



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY

sapphi_snake said:
ProdigyBam said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

Right ... Giving an honest assessment of a problem that is emerging in many western nations is the equivalent of being one of the worst mass murderers in history.

Honest? One of the biggest problems in Western nations is forcing people to become Christian?

"Christian values" and "Christian" is a difference

still, germany (and all of europe for that matter) is for the most part christian and so is our culture, our morals views and our politics, its all tied with the christian values, it doesnt mean that all non-christians have to leave, just that the muslims arent allowed to view a man "as the value of 2 women" (quran) or that they just kill every non muslim how its told in the quran, just saying...

 

and btw

merkel and cdu are not conservative anymore, since 2005 exactly, there are left winged, here in germany we dont have conservative partys anymore, thats a reason why everybody is agreeing with thilo sarrazin, because the politicians (like merkel) ignore what 90% of the people here think (90% agreed with sarrazins statements according to a poll)

and the media is (just like the politics) very left winged here, you arent allowed to say "turk murdered his girlfriend because she didnt want to be with him anymore" you must say (to be "politically correct") "southman (thats normally spain or italy) murdered his girlfriend and so on"

Or just change "mustafa" to "klaus", its no problem here, sadly...

but after 5-10 years germany will wake up, just like netherlands and france are right now

hopefully...

I can understand why you may feel frustrated, but do you think that muslim men are the only ones who do such things? Why should the fact that the guy was a turk be mentioned at all?

Also, sexual equality didn't evolve from Christianity, so if it's wrong in the West to think of a man "as the value of two women", that certainly isn't a merit of Christianity (where women are viewed negatively), but of feminists.


F**k, are you serious?

Thats just sad...

I wont even try it, think what you think and compare merkel to hitler, because she wants the people who get money, education and a wonderful life for (almost) free to learn the leanguage of the country they live in and respect our culture.

how f**king racist we are! :/



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY

ProdigyBam said:
sapphi_snake said:

I can understand why you may feel frustrated, but do you think that muslim men are the only ones who do such things? Why should the fact that the guy was a turk be mentioned at all?

Also, sexual equality didn't evolve from Christianity, so if it's wrong in the West to think of a man "as the value of two women", that certainly isn't a merit of Christianity (where women are viewed negatively), but of feminists.


F**k, are you serious?

Thats just sad...

I wont even try it, think what you think and compare merkel to hitler, because she wants the people who get money, education and a wonderful life for (almost) free to learn the leanguage of the country they live in and respect our culture.

how f**king racist we are! :/

I don't see the connection between what you bolded and what you wrote in your post. There was nothing outstanding that that turk ('cause you insist on mentioning this) did that I haven't heard millions of European/American do on the news a million times. If it were an honor killing or something, than it would be a different thing, but a guy killing his girlfriend for leaving him? Yeah, only muslim guys do that... (sarcasm)



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
ProdigyBam said:
sapphi_snake said:

I can understand why you may feel frustrated, but do you think that muslim men are the only ones who do such things? Why should the fact that the guy was a turk be mentioned at all?

Also, sexual equality didn't evolve from Christianity, so if it's wrong in the West to think of a man "as the value of two women", that certainly isn't a merit of Christianity (where women are viewed negatively), but of feminists.


F**k, are you serious?

Thats just sad...

I wont even try it, think what you think and compare merkel to hitler, because she wants the people who get money, education and a wonderful life for (almost) free to learn the leanguage of the country they live in and respect our culture.

how f**king racist we are! :/

I don't see the connection between what you bolded and what you wrote in your post. There was nothing outstanding that that turk ('cause you insist on mentioning this) did that I haven't heard millions of European/American do on the news a million times. If it were an honor killing or something, than it would be a different thing, but a guy killing his girlfriend for leaving him? Yeah, only muslim guys do that... (sarcasm)


Problem is, it just happens almost every day and that was just an example.

NO normal german guy would kill his girlfriedn if she wantsto leave him, but many muslims do that

seriously, just tell me where are you from?



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY