There's no maybe about it, she had psychological problems. Again, many roots and reasons can be attributed to her psychological problems, and demonic possession would feature as last on a very long list. Why is it so hard for you to accept demonic possesion is incredibly unlikely? For one thing you have to prove the existence of a "demonic or supernatural" entity, which in itself has never been done.

Why are you so quick to jump to ridiculous assumptions in the face of logic and reason? Surely logic and reason should be looked to before making assumptions and turning to the occult and unknown.

And what do you mean by visual evidence? There was NO evidence in this case, visual or otherwise. I haven't read any detailed reports of a psychological assesment, nothing audio, visual or chemical about the room she stayed in and obviously in that day and age they didn't have the ability to do brain scans.

Lastly, just because you say something is fact doesn't make it so. You need evidence to back up a claim, and nothing you've presented is evidence.

There's no maybe about it, she had psychological problems. Again, many roots and reasons can be attributed to her psychological problems, and demonic possession would feature as last on a very long list. Why is it so hard for you to accept demonic possesion is incredibly unlikely? For one thing you have to prove the existence of a "demonic or supernatural" entity, which in itself has never been done.

Why are you so quick to jump to ridiculous assumptions in the face of logic and reason? Surely logic and reason should be looked to before making assumptions and turning to the occult and unknown.

And what do you mean by visual evidence? There was NO evidence in this case, visual or otherwise. I haven't read any detailed reports of a psychological assesment, nothing audio, visual or chemical about the room she stayed in and obviously in that day and age they didn't have the ability to do brain scans.

Lastly, just because you say something is fact doesn't make it so. You need evidence to back up a claim, and nothing you've presented is evidence.

More evidance:

http://www.wackyowl.com/5-notable-examples-demonic-possession-exorcism/

Care to explain how people can change their voices, speak demonic langluages (that are proved to be real by priests), make people levitating vertically and horizontally, kill thier family for no reason, and sometimes, when priest speaks the prayers, the bizzare behavior strangely stops?

Dont worry, Im sure you'll come up with some psycho thing that explains how people can fly...

There's no maybe about it, she had psychological problems. Again, many roots and reasons can be attributed to her psychological problems, and demonic possession would feature as last on a very long list. Why is it so hard for you to accept demonic possesion is incredibly unlikely? For one thing you have to prove the existence of a "demonic or supernatural" entity, which in itself has never been done.

Why are you so quick to jump to ridiculous assumptions in the face of logic and reason? Surely logic and reason should be looked to before making assumptions and turning to the occult and unknown.

And what do you mean by visual evidence? There was NO evidence in this case, visual or otherwise. I haven't read any detailed reports of a psychological assesment, nothing audio, visual or chemical about the room she stayed in and obviously in that day and age they didn't have the ability to do brain scans.

Lastly, just because you say something is fact doesn't make it so. You need evidence to back up a claim, and nothing you've presented is evidence.

You seem to mix up the definition of evidence with conjecture and heresay. I'll try and cover each of your points before moving onto the article you posted:

1. Voices and languages: Its well known that people can change their voice or start to speak fluently in other languages after head injuries. You seem to underestimate the complexity of the human brain.

Ok this is the 3rd time im trying to respond to this post, but my post always dissapers for no reason. FUCK VGC 3. Fix your fucking forum glitches already. Its getting really anoying.

Anyway, are you kidding me? A head injury makes you speak the real demonic language that you NEVER heard before that only priests with high religious education can understand??? (Note this is not just some gibberish for lunutics) And the head injury also makes you change your voice from human to something that isnt either human or animal ( Please note that chaging the sound of your voice isnt the same as chaging it to something un-human)???

2. Levitation: There really was no evidence for this in the article. Just a few eye witness accounts in 1906 Africa where people are very superstitious even now. Did you not ask yourself about the validity of the witnesses? You can't put someone in jail based on a potentially unreliable witness, yet you're ready to believe in demonic possesion?

See, this is why i am annoyed at you. You keep saying ''no evidance'' when evidence is right in front of you. People saw it with their own eyes and yet you keep denying it, its almost like you're affraid of the truth or simply just dont wanna accept it no matter what. I have given everything to prove demonic possesions are real, now why dont you give me something that says they are not real??? Its incredibly easy to just sit and say ''well, maybe...''  You know damn well that nothing can make a person fly so you had to find something on which you could say ''oh wait, this here MIGHT be wrong, so you HAVE TO be wrong''.

3. Killing family: This happens all the time. Why do you think its demonic possesion? Why aren't they just a socio-path or have pent up anger issues directed towards family members.

Because the guy  has been involved in a few of instances which could lead to conclusion that he had problems with demonic possession

4. Priest stopping behaviour: Again, no evidence of demonic possesion, just the belief that exorcism will get rid of a "demon" is enough for some people to stop their strange behaviour and get them out of their trance or alternative states of consciousness. If you really want evidence then find a brain scan during an exorcism. The only time I've seen this done, the effect on the brain was the same as that of meditation or prayer. This is predominantly in response to case 5 in the article.

More denial, i see. And exorcism wasnt always succesfull (in fact, its rare), so that alone disporeves your entire point

As for the article, don't you think it's odd that the weirdest stories are all from a long time ago? Like 100 years minimum when technology and our understanding of the brain was close to nil. Even in case 3, the boy was cured after 2 months of therapy on top of the "exorcisms". The concept of an exorcisms may work to help improve a patient, but that doesn't prove demonic possesion, simply that it helps a patients psychological well-being.

Why does the year matter? These are 5 MOST NOTABLE examples. Even todays technology cant explain some of  the things that happend to those people, so the year is irrelevant.

Finally, I really find that picture of Anneliese Michel very telling. How can you look at that pic and not think "anorexic"?

Yes, she refused to eat food for months before she died, instead she ate bugs and insects.

Seriously, I think you should read a quality Psychology text book, then look back at these cases and seperate the evidence from heresay.

I said ONLY PRIESTS WITH VERY HIGH BIBLICAL AND RELIGOUS KNOWLEDGE can understand it. Other people cant. And you cant just learn something that exclusive and hard like language of demons just because you have head injury. My aunt had a hard head injury when she was 8 (she's mentaly illl now) how come she cant speak that language????

Head injuries differ from person to person. Some people can speak random languages fluently whilst others become mentally ill.

And who's to say that those people lied???? We have no reason to believe that they lied. I think you just love telling yourself that, because you provided absolutely nothing to prove your point, so you just keep saying ''its not demonic possesion, its maybe this'' or '' maybe those people lied''. And thats why im annoyed at you. Its pretty easy just to sit and deny everything that is given to you as an evidence. So until you prove that they were lying, we're just gonna have to trust them on this one huh? I mean, thats how they do it in a court room.

It's called heresay. It's pretty easy to sit back and believe everything you're told rather than engaging your brain and thinking things through logically. According to the Romans Carthage were a bunch of idiots and barbarians (they were more advanced than Rome before conquered). If we took everything at face value then we'd believe them.

Ok, so the claim of other people doesnt make it so, the claim of people who were possesd themselfes doesnt make it so, the claim of priests doesnt make it so, so let me ask you one question. WHAT EXACTLY MAKES IT SO ???????? I think the people who think the're possesed know a LOT better whats happening to them than anyone else. But agian, the power of denial cant be beaten.

I'm sure people with mental problems know exactly what's happening to them... oh wait, they don't. Your problem is that you attribute "claims" as evidence. It's not. Until we have measurable proof of an entity manipulating the mind of an individual, nothing you present amounts to anything more than heresay and ignorance of biology and psychology.

So lets assume that the person is schizophrenic. The person eats bugs, drinks its own urine, refuses to eat, the icon of christ upsets it and it speaks the language unkown to most humans with the voice that is neither human or animal, and some people claim they saw it flying of the ground. So yeah, its a pretty hardcore schizophrenia. The preson believes its possesed even though its not. So the priest comes and says couple of prayers and perfromes exorcism and by some miracle, that horrible and bizzare schizophrenic behavoiur dissapears just like that because the person believed the demon went away??? Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Schizophrenia is not the only mental problem out there, but yes, it's possible, although probably not with schizophrenia. See the studies below, many of them mention the need to take into account cultural belief when treating problems.

You missed my point. I said today's technology cant explain those things, and it probably never will, because they are supernatural.

And I'm saying today's technology and knowledge probably could have explained those things if it was present back then, but as it wasn't we'll never know. This would also explain why there hasn't been many supernatural events in the Western world recently, as technology and medical science has improved, we now know what a lot of these "possesions" actually are. See studies below.

I never denied she had anorexia. She denied to eat, and to drink holy water. Maybe the demon inside of her didnt allow it ? I mean, why else whouldnt she wanna drink holy water if she knows it can only help her????

I accuse me of conjecture then come out with this completely illogical statement. All the symptoms exhibited are those typically found in someone who's very seriously mentally ill.

And exactly what kind of evidance do you people give? ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!!! A big 0. At least i provided something that leads to my poinr. Like i said, its pretty easy just to sit and deny everything. So come on, give me some of your own evidance that support your point. I would be more than happy to deny them all, like you are doing. :)

The evidence we give is knowledge based off years of medical research. Compared to your heresay, I know which one I (and anyone with a shred of logic) would select as evidence. See studies below for more.

As far as i am concerd, i won this argument, i provided much more stuff that supports my point, than you did. You just kept denying everything, with nothing that disporves my point. You dont have to believe at anything. I cant convince you. I was just trying to prove those possesions were real. Its entirely up to you on what you wanna believe in.

"I won the arguments because I presented more heresay, conjecture and unreliable sources than you..." I really don't think so. If you want actual evidence supporting my point see below.

Look, it's obvious logic isn't your strong point and that you have no concept of what actually constitutes evidence. I never came into this thread to destroy your belief in possesion, simply to show nothing you've said or presented is evidence. That still stands. See above for comments.

I've wasted enough of my time arguing your illogical thought processes. I suggest you read the sources and the papers they reference.

Some actual studies carried out by professionals with references:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803848/pdf/1752-1947-3-9325.pdf

Ok, this is probably the biggest pile of crap i've seen in a while. First of all, a ''spirit'' cant posses a human being, because every buman already has a spirit in him/her. Maybe they meant ''an evil or un-pure spirt'' which means demon, but that just shows how little does the article know about this kind of stuff. And second, nothing that this person has done or told, can link to the suggestion that he was possesd. Just because he claimed so, doesnt make it so The person became isolated and disinterested. That doesnt sound like demonic possesion. Look at the top 5 stories i gave to you and compare them to this case. This person was obviously sick in head like the other members of his family.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181833/pdf/00980351.pdf

How is this supposed to disporve my point?? All this article does, is describing psychiatric and relgious aspects of an demonic possesion. As the matter of fact, Case 1 actually proves my point...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2626575/pdf/1757-1626-2-14.pdf

Again, these people are simply schizophrenic and not possesed.  Miss P is diagnosed with psychiatric disorder and she refused to take her prescirbed medications.

Mrs. Q case had nothing to do with religion or possesions. She simply became ill after she gave birth to her child.

Same goes for Miss. X and Mrs Y. You just gave me 4 cases of schiophrenic women. Why? Are you trying to prove that schizophrenia can be the answer to the bizzare behaviour I never denied that.In fact, lots of people who think they are possesed are in fact schizophrenic. Im just trying to prove that possesions (and some of its cases) are real.