Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
Look, it's obvious logic isn't your strong point and that you have no concept of what actually constitutes evidence. I never came into this thread to destroy your belief in possesion, simply to show nothing you've said or presented is evidence. That still stands. See above for comments.
I've wasted enough of my time arguing your illogical thought processes. I suggest you read the sources and the papers they reference.
Some actual studies carried out by professionals with references:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803848/pdf/1752-1947-3-9325.pdf
Ok, this is probably the biggest pile of crap i've seen in a while. First of all, a ''spirit'' cant posses a human being, because every buman already has a spirit in him/her. Maybe they meant ''an evil or un-pure spirt'' which means demon, but that just shows how little does the article know about this kind of stuff. And second, nothing that this person has done or told, can link to the suggestion that he was possesd. Just because he claimed so, doesnt make it so The person became isolated and disinterested. That doesnt sound like demonic possesion. Look at the top 5 stories i gave to you and compare them to this case. This person was obviously sick in head like the other members of his family.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181833/pdf/00980351.pdf
How is this supposed to disporve my point?? All this article does, is describing psychiatric and relgious aspects of an demonic possesion. As the matter of fact, Case 1 actually proves my point...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2626575/pdf/1757-1626-2-14.pdf
Again, these people are simply schizophrenic and not possesed. Miss P is diagnosed with psychiatric disorder and she refused to take her prescirbed medications.
Mrs. Q case had nothing to do with religion or possesions. She simply became ill after she gave birth to her child.
Same goes for Miss. X and Mrs Y. You just gave me 4 cases of schiophrenic women. Why? Are you trying to prove that schizophrenia can be the answer to the bizzare behaviour I never denied that.In fact, lots of people who think they are possesed are in fact schizophrenic. Im just trying to prove that possesions (and some of its cases) are real.
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These studies have been done relatively recently, yet the symptoms and claims bear similarity to the claims you gave as evidence, the main difference being the time period. Had these studies been done back when these "possesions" took place, many may well have been disproved.
Also, in answer to the first article you stated:
"First of all, a ''spirit'' cant posses a human being, because every buman already has a spirit in him/her."
As this is a pschyological paper I doubt they'd be too hung up on the religious definitions, but how do you know a "spirit" can't possess a human being? Perhaps in some cultures, a belief exists that it can (not saying that's true in this case). The concept of possession can differ somewhat from culture to culture so what you believe to be true can be different in another part of the world.
Like I said, I was only trying to say there is no true evidence for possesion. Whether you believe in it or not is up to you but trying to convince others is much harder until we can:
Measure and prove the existence of an external entity.
Measure the presence of said entity in or around an individual and attribute beahioural differences to that entity
What you presented before were symptoms, which can be explained by psychology and neuroscience, both of which are still expanding and growing fields.
Spiritual belief of any kind is (and should be imo) very personal and individual, so maybe we should leave it and just say you believe in possesion and I don't for the many reasons we've stated in this thread.
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Ok, im back, sorry it took me some time to replay, the school started again, and i got MAFIA II so i was busy for a while.
While there is no the type of evidence that you require there are multiple examples and witnesses trought the history that can prove the existance of demonic possesions ( like all the reasons i mentioned before ). And of course, some of the examples are simply of psychological mater while some of them are most likely true. Like i said, you can believe on whatever you want to, but you cant deny that some of the thigs that happend to those people look A LOT like demonic possesion ( like flying in air, and speeaking the language that is not from this world...) and a lot less like mental illnes. I'll understand if you want to leave this discussion, so go ahead, im tired pf it too.
And how the hell are we humans supposed to measure and prove something that is not only from this planet and universe, but from the other kind (or form) of existance ???? Its impossible and it always will be.
