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Demonic possesion? Ain't that what they used to call schizophrenia before psychiatrists existed?

Sadly there are no Indian burial grounds nearby (no Indians on the European continent), so I can't go there. However I've been to regular cemeteries lots of times, and honestly they didn't seem scary, not even creepy actually. The thing about spooky things is that they're mostly due to your irrational thoughts.

Even my own house can seem spooky at times. Sometimes when I wake up in the middle of the night and I have to go get a glass of water, or use the bathroom I get a little scared 'cause I have to walk through the dark to get there (in the hallway my mom put this cross shaped bulb thing that emanates a red light, and you can bet that's a little slasher-movie creepy). And often at night I hear this voices and noises that scare me (but of course that's just my neighbours).

I think the problem is that you associate Indian burial grounds being scary, due to what you've seen on TV/movies. AfterI saw the first Saw movie, I remeber being in bed in the middle of the night scared, staring at my closet and remebering how scary it was when that creep in the movie jumped out of the kid's closet. Still, no actual reason to be afriad.

And the ghost's name is Casper (the friendly ghost), not Jasper.



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pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

You talk of rubbish such as "souls"and "breath of life" and "spirit', as if they were facts. Please present proof that this nonsense is a "fact".

 

 

Wow, you really dont believe in souls??? Seriously now?? I can see how someone can not believe in God or jesus or heaven but how can man not believe in soul???

 

Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.

A fact huh? Unless you're talking about that study they did when they figured out a minute amount of weight leaves the body upon death(this study is flawed btw)... There's no proof for a human soul.

Ghosts (souls who have not yet found peace,their appearances are proven to be real) are also souls, you know...its something inside of you that lives forever even  after you die. Seriously, do you really believe that after you die, lights out and you become food for worms? Wow, your probably gonna get really depressed once you get old

Ghosts? Really? That's your answer? Ghosts have been proven to be real? I did not know that.


Not ghosts as in ''white spooks'' like Jasper, more like souls or spirits of dead people. As for ''evidence of ghosts, go spend the few nights night at the indian burial ground and see if theres any ''spooky'' things around. Or go watch the movie ''Paranormal Activity''. Or how about numerous demonic possesions that have occured in human history??  Do you believe in any kind of paranormal activity at all?

That's not evidence, it's a personal experience which can vary from person to person. I've been to "paranormal" places and spent the night where nothing has happened and spent nights in castles that were supposedly haunted. Nothing happened. Been to a grave-yards and seen some weird stuff in my time too but I'd never suggest any of it was evidence as it's all personal to me. Until you can actually measure and show a ghostly presence (and not silly audio sounds that could be attributable to anything), you're not convincing anyone.

Also, demonic possesions have rational explainations whether it's mental illness or chemically induced hallucinations from the flora and fauna of an area.

And Paranormal Activity wasn't based on a true story, in fact it had multiple endings.



WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
spdk1 said:

^ Sadly Paranormal Activity was not a real documentary

 

who said it was a documentary? It was an amateur horror movie based on true story. A documentary is something very diffrent


Sadly it's not based on a true story eit

 

Sadly, the story that happend in Paranormal Activity happend for real for lots of other people....



Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

You talk of rubbish such as "souls"and "breath of life" and "spirit', as if they were facts. Please present proof that this nonsense is a "fact".

 

 

Wow, you really dont believe in souls??? Seriously now?? I can see how someone can not believe in God or jesus or heaven but how can man not believe in soul???

 

Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.

A fact huh? Unless you're talking about that study they did when they figured out a minute amount of weight leaves the body upon death(this study is flawed btw)... There's no proof for a human soul.

Ghosts (souls who have not yet found peace,their appearances are proven to be real) are also souls, you know...its something inside of you that lives forever even  after you die. Seriously, do you really believe that after you die, lights out and you become food for worms? Wow, your probably gonna get really depressed once you get old

Ghosts? Really? That's your answer? Ghosts have been proven to be real? I did not know that.


Not ghosts as in ''white spooks'' like Jasper, more like souls or spirits of dead people. As for ''evidence of ghosts, go spend the few nights night at the indian burial ground and see if theres any ''spooky'' things around. Or go watch the movie ''Paranormal Activity''. Or how about numerous demonic possesions that have occured in human history??  Do you believe in any kind of paranormal activity at all?

That's not evidence, it's a personal experience which can vary from person to person. I've been to "paranormal" places and spent the night where nothing has happened and spent nights in castles that were supposedly haunted. Nothing happened. Been to a grave-yards and seen some weird stuff in my time too but I'd never suggest any of it was evidence as it's all personal to me. Until you can actually measure and show a ghostly presence (and not silly audio sounds that could be attributable to anything), you're not convincing anyone.

Also, demonic possesions have rational explainations whether it's mental illness or chemically induced hallucinations from the flora and fauna of an area.

And Paranormal Activity wasn't based on a true story, in fact it had multiple endings.

I never said that if you go to the graveyard  or any ''haunted'' place at nights you're necceary gonna see a ghost. Pay attention on what i exactly said in my post.

And yes , mental illnes makes you speak the un-human language and bite off your own arm and likc your own urine and later DIE...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel

 

 



well religion came about as a way to get people to stop killing each other, so probably we would all be a lot bigger and stronger since strong people would have survived longer to procreate.

There would be a lot fewer people though as well as a result.

Everything else would pretty much be the same though. Although we would most likely be more advanced, not because nerds can fight, but because intelligence is valuable. And the strong would have used them to make themselves stronger.



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sapphi_snake said:

Demonic possesion? Ain't that what they used to call schizophrenia before psychiatrists existed?

Sadly there are no Indian burial grounds nearby (no Indians on the European continent), so I can't go there. However I've been to regular cemeteries lots of times, and honestly they didn't seem scary, not even creepy actually. The thing about spooky things is that they're mostly due to your irrational thoughts.

Even my own house can seem spooky at times. Sometimes when I wake up in the middle of the night and I have to go get a glass of water, or use the bathroom I get a little scared 'cause I have to walk through the dark to get there (in the hallway my mom put this cross shaped bulb thing that emanates a red light, and you can bet that's a little slasher-movie creepy). And often at night I hear this voices and noises that scare me (but of course that's just my neighbours).

I think the problem is that you associate Indian burial grounds being scary, due to what you've seen on TV/movies. AfterI saw the first Saw movie, I remeber being in bed in the middle of the night scared, staring at my closet and remebering how scary it was when that creep in the movie jumped out of the kid's closet. Still, no actual reason to be afriad.

And the ghost's name is Casper (the friendly ghost), not Jasper.

Schizophrenia doesnt make you do those all those horrible stuff i mentioned before...i really dont even wanna start a debate on demonic possesions, its so terrible to even think about it...

 

And there is a diffrence between indian burial grounds and regular cemetaries.

Those stuff you mentioned before werent paranormal activity. Like you said, they were just irrational thoughts.Believe me, I know, I couldnt sleep for months after i wacthed Rose Red from Stephen King...  But thats nothing creppy. My mom told that once she saw a woman in the the white gloving dress in the middle of the night walking. But there was something wierd with the way she walked. Her feet didnt touch the ground, it was like she was flying about 50cm in the air. The woman then went behind a tree and and just disappeared without a trace.  No one ever saw her again,

The Jasper thing was a typo.

 

And you didnt asnwer my question. Do you even believe in any paranormal activity whatsoever?



Not sure.I am agnostic.But I don't think we should blame all problems on religion there are some people that without the religion boundary would have no moral values at all.



pizzahut451 said:
WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
spdk1 said:

^ Sadly Paranormal Activity was not a real documentary

 

who said it was a documentary? It was an amateur horror movie based on true story. A documentary is something very diffrent


Sadly it's not based on a true story eit

 

Sadly, the story that happend in Paranormal Activity happend for real for lots of other people....

sadly...

I believe in ghosts, but that B-rated horror movie has NOTHING to do with real events in any way whatsoever PERIOD.  here is an interview that talks about the origins of the film:

 

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/slamdancenews.php?id=5123

 

you can also read a more in depth version of how it was made / created on wikipedia.

 

I assumed you thought it was real because you were using it as proof that ghosts exist, that would be like me saying that you could find proof of aliens by watching the movie E.T.



Schizophrenia doesnt make you do those all those horrible stuff i mentioned before...

Dude, haven't you ever heard of that theory that when people tell a story, the more they tell it (or the more the story is transmited orally form person to person), the more the story is deformed and is likely to gain outlandish details. Hack, every time I tell something that happened to me I sprouse things up a little to make the story more interesting.

In my country, there was this case of a demon possesion of a nun in a monastery. Turns out that she was a schizophrenic that escaped from the mental institution and became  a nun. And igonrant monk (or priest, can't remembar what the jerk was) and some stupid nuns performed an "exorxcism" on her, and the lady died (she was abducted, tied to a bed, and starved to death; they didn't even give her water). The outrageous part was not their immense stupidity, but the fact that they got away, thanks to the efforts of the stupid corrupt Church and the fact that peopel in my country are religious and believe all kinds of superstitious crap.

i really dont even wanna start a debate on demonic possesions, its so terrible to even think about it...

This line made me LOL. How old are you? 'Cause you sure seem adorably naive and innocent to write something like this.

And there is a diffrence between indian burial grounds and regular cemetaries.

I'm well aware of that.

My mom told that once she saw a woman in the the white gloving dress in the middle of the night walking. But there was something wierd with the way she walked. Her feet didnt touch the ground, it was like she was flying about 50cm in the air. The woman then went behind a tree and and just disappeared without a trace.  No one ever saw her again,

I think your mom should go see a specialist. this is worrying. Got any more details aboutthis story?

The Jasper thing was a typo.

I'm sure Casper forgives you for mistyping his name. After all, he is a friendly kind of ghost.

And you didnt asnwer my question. Do you even believe in any paranormal activity whatsoever?

Sorry, didn't notice you asked me that. My answer is: NO, I don't beleive that anything is "paranormal". If something is (by this I mean exists, is real), then it's "normal". Some things have yet to be explained, and I'm sure scientist or someone will find an explanation for them in the future. These things might also have something to do with that DMT substance in the brain that causes hallucinations (somebody mentioned it on another topic).

Personally I've never witnessed any paranormal situations, but I've heard others relate such situations (most of the time it was something thet heard from a friend, who hear it from another friend, who learned it from a roomante's friend... you get the drift).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

You talk of rubbish such as "souls"and "breath of life" and "spirit', as if they were facts. Please present proof that this nonsense is a "fact".

 

 

Wow, you really dont believe in souls??? Seriously now?? I can see how someone can not believe in God or jesus or heaven but how can man not believe in soul???

 

Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.

A fact huh? Unless you're talking about that study they did when they figured out a minute amount of weight leaves the body upon death(this study is flawed btw)... There's no proof for a human soul.

Ghosts (souls who have not yet found peace,their appearances are proven to be real) are also souls, you know...its something inside of you that lives forever even  after you die. Seriously, do you really believe that after you die, lights out and you become food for worms? Wow, your probably gonna get really depressed once you get old

Ghosts? Really? That's your answer? Ghosts have been proven to be real? I did not know that.


Not ghosts as in ''white spooks'' like Jasper, more like souls or spirits of dead people. As for ''evidence of ghosts, go spend the few nights night at the indian burial ground and see if theres any ''spooky'' things around. Or go watch the movie ''Paranormal Activity''. Or how about numerous demonic possesions that have occured in human history??  Do you believe in any kind of paranormal activity at all?

That's not evidence, it's a personal experience which can vary from person to person. I've been to "paranormal" places and spent the night where nothing has happened and spent nights in castles that were supposedly haunted. Nothing happened. Been to a grave-yards and seen some weird stuff in my time too but I'd never suggest any of it was evidence as it's all personal to me. Until you can actually measure and show a ghostly presence (and not silly audio sounds that could be attributable to anything), you're not convincing anyone.

Also, demonic possesions have rational explainations whether it's mental illness or chemically induced hallucinations from the flora and fauna of an area.

And Paranormal Activity wasn't based on a true story, in fact it had multiple endings.

I never said that if you go to the graveyard  or any ''haunted'' place at nights you're necceary gonna see a ghost. Pay attention on what i exactly said in my post.

And yes , mental illnes makes you speak the un-human language and bite off your own arm and likc your own urine and later DIE...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel

 

 

Yes, it can. What's your point?

And my point still stands, nothing you've presented is evidence. All personal experience that's not going to convince anyone.