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Smidlee said:
WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

You talk of rubbish such as "souls"and "breath of life" and "spirit', as if they were facts. Please present proof that this nonsense is a "fact".

 

 

Wow, you really dont believe in souls??? Seriously now?? I can see how someone can not believe in God or jesus or heaven but how can man not believe in soul???

 

Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.

A fact huh? Unless you're talking about that study they did when they figured out a minute amount of weight leaves the body upon death(this study is flawed btw)... There's no proof for a human soul.

Just as little nickpick here:
 A DVD with a movie written on it doesn't weight anymore than a blank DVD. Thus we do know stuff exist that has no weight

 To a blind man the color red doesn't exist.

The full DVDs and empty DVDs weigh the same because information like a movie is just the rearanging of values on the disk. It's something like this, an empty disk is all 0s, but a full disk is series of 10010110111010101... There's nothing in the disk that has no weight, only the values have changed. Your argument makes no sense.

I don't see the relevance of the second comment...



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******Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.***********

 

Actually, The science proved long time ago that such things we thought were "spiritual" inside our body such the soul, they are actually chemestry-related, and they are inside our brain.

I can make you happy/sad/in-love with only a pill ! Many of those feelings are actually brain-related and not "holly ghost"-related.



You may find a mirror trying to find the other side of the world

 

Your expecting me to prove G-d with what? Within the limits the diciplines that man-kind made? G-d is in a completly higher and different order then the one we know... we literally can't... think about what were talking about for a minute here. Your asking me to bring G-d down to our level? That's why I kept telling you that some of these truths are meant to just be accepted.... we have to trust G-d's words on that... because it's beyond us. You have to be open to G-d. One of the reasons I believe in G-d is because his always right as far as I read. How do I know.. well because after trusting his words... you see it.

How do you know if anything you've ever read about God is true? What make's you think they're not all made-up things by the poeple who wrote them? What made you beleive in God in the first place? You say that God' existence is truth, but like I said you never had any reason to believe that in the first place. Your logic is basically non-existent.

About my dog question, my point is you were willing to believe me... someone you practically don't know at all... I could look like anyone in the world... could be person with little to no credibilty for being honest for all you know ... but you believed me. Some guy that's definitely well below G-d... now if you can try to do that with G-d... read what he has to say and see how he see's things then you can actually see he is right and truth.

In this particular case your word is proof enough. The dog is yours. Now in the case of God, well I for one never heard God say anything. Neither have you actually. You;ve just read some books written by people, and blindly accepted that those were the words of God.

This might sound strange but..

You might be struggling with doubt right at this moment struggling believing what I said above... fight that.. .by saying Jesus Christ...

Struggling? Not at all. What you're saying is so illogical that I have no problem whatsoever seeing how wrong you are. And are you actually trying to convert me? Isn't that against forum rules or somethin'?

I've seen demons before and that always scares them, but you probably won't see them.

Ok... Now you scare me. Have you ever thought about going to see a psychiantrist?

I'm done here, see you around the forum.

I'm done too. Don't bother replying to me. And please visit a speicalist about your hallucinations.



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                                                                               (pizzahut451)

To the people saying that one can't be expected to prove God exists.

Yes you are expected, the burden of proof is on you. I cannot believe in something that has no evidence beyond personal revelation that is indistinguishable from hallucination. Saying "God talks to me!" is not convincing to anyone but yourself.

Atheism is simply the rejection of a positive claim (that God exists) because of the lack of evidence, nothing more. I will gladly believe in God if it can be demostrated to me with evidence. Sadly I've never seen or read about any such evidence and even the philosophical arguments seem inconsistent to me when you apply rudimentary logic and reasoning. So even the claims without evidence I find unconvincing.

Its not that I neccesarily despise God (though the monotheistic God does seem like an ass when you read his holy books), its simply that the positive claim doesn't have any convincing evidence.



As for violence levels with or without religion... I gotta quote the TF2 Sniper

 

"At the end of the day, as long as their's two people left on the planet someone's gonna want someone dead."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyNuriXG3BQ



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WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

You talk of rubbish such as "souls"and "breath of life" and "spirit', as if they were facts. Please present proof that this nonsense is a "fact".

 

 

Wow, you really dont believe in souls??? Seriously now?? I can see how someone can not believe in God or jesus or heaven but how can man not believe in soul???

 

Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.

A fact huh? Unless you're talking about that study they did when they figured out a minute amount of weight leaves the body upon death(this study is flawed btw)... There's no proof for a human soul.

Ghosts (souls who have not yet found peace,their appearances are proven to be real) are also souls, you know...its something inside of you that lives forever even  after you die. Seriously, do you really believe that after you die, lights out and you become food for worms? Wow, your probably gonna get really depressed once you get old



I think the world would be a much, much better place to live in, all religion does is divide us and hinder the progress of our species.



HernanDroid said:

******Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.***********

 

Actually, The science proved long time ago that such things we thought were "spiritual" inside our body such the soul, they are actually chemestry-related, and they are inside our brain.

I can make you happy/sad/in-love with only a pill ! Many of those feelings are actually brain-related and not "holly ghost"-related.

 This is self refuting since ( by "science proved..." I assume you mean scientist) as it begs to question  exactly who watching the watcher that came to that conclusion. This conclusion itself could be just a butch of chemestry. Thus even science itself is based on faith , that is man is able to examine and understand the world around him. If you try to use science to show man thoughts are a butch of chemical reactions that destroy the foundation which science is based. It's a "Barney Fife" agrument (give him a bullet and he'll shoot himself in the foot)

 You can also make someone happy/sad/ mad with words as well.



Smidlee said:
HernanDroid said:

******Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.***********

 

Actually, The science proved long time ago that such things we thought were "spiritual" inside our body such the soul, they are actually chemestry-related, and they are inside our brain.

I can make you happy/sad/in-love with only a pill ! Many of those feelings are actually brain-related and not "holly ghost"-related.

 This is self refuting since ( by "science proved..." I assume you mean scientist) as it begs to question  exactly who watching the watcher that came to that conclusion. This conclusion itself could be just a butch of chemestry. Thus even science itself is based on faith , that is man is able to examine and understand the world around him. If you try to use science to show man thoughts are a butch of chemical reactions that destroy the foundation which science is based. It's a "Barney Fife" agrument (give him a bullet and he'll shoot himself in the foot)

 You can also make someone happy/sad/ mad with words as well.

Do you see no difference between chemical induced hallucinations and rational thoughts elaborated through the observation of reality?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

pizzahut451 said:
WessleWoggle said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

 

You talk of rubbish such as "souls"and "breath of life" and "spirit', as if they were facts. Please present proof that this nonsense is a "fact".

 

 

Wow, you really dont believe in souls??? Seriously now?? I can see how someone can not believe in God or jesus or heaven but how can man not believe in soul???

 

Also, existance of a human soul is a PROVEN FACT.

A fact huh? Unless you're talking about that study they did when they figured out a minute amount of weight leaves the body upon death(this study is flawed btw)... There's no proof for a human soul.

Ghosts (souls who have not yet found peace,their appearances are proven to be real) are also souls, you know...its something inside of you that lives forever even  after you die. Seriously, do you really believe that after you die, lights out and you become food for worms? Wow, your probably gonna get really depressed once you get old

Ghosts? Really? That's your answer? Ghosts have been proven to be real? I did not know that.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)