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KylieDog said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Boutros said:
KylieDog said:
RolStoppable said:

If you spit on New Super Mario Bros. Wii and at the same time demand the old Nintendo to come back, then that's the biggest contradiction you can possibly make.


I remember the old Nintendo pushing games forward in great new ways, I mean the games, not controllers (power glove ftw!).  Games like the original SMB, SMB3, LoZ, Metroid, then later on advancing them again going 3D like Mario 64 and OoT.  This gen we got Zeldas -still- copying OoT with only minor changes, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 is just Mario 64 with changing gravity, NSMB Wii has gone back even further than the N64 and is copying SNES games, Donkey Kong has gone back to SNES and so forth.

 

When people say they want the old Nintendo they don't mean clones of old Nintendo games, they mean they want them making something new.

Yeah that's mostly what I mean myself.


Most over looked new IP of the gen it seems  

Add in Excite Truck, Big Brain, Endless Ocean, Disaster DoC, Captain Rainbow, Dynamic Slash, Xenoblade, and The Last Story... yep no new IPs that Nintendo has brought or going to bring  

Nintendo never made many "game changers" per generation in the old days, most of the time just evolving older existing IPs (ala OoT and Mario 64) people just have rose tinted glasses of the past, the same tactics used today were used in the past, every so often you got a new IP sometimes that new IP had really unique game play, most of the time they took an old IP and improved it so much that people in the industry flat out copied them... and that's happening now... so what's different?

 

NOT NEW IPs.   New types of game/game design.  Wii Sports is minigames that existed long before the Wii, we played those long ago.  Knowledge quizes and such existed, Disaster is just a bunch of old genres bunched together etc etc.

 

Swinging a wii mote instead of pressing a button is not some new for a games content, and that is what nintendo are lacking this gen.  A lot of us do not want a new way to do something old on screen, we want something new on screen.

"NOT NEW IPs.   New types of game/game design."

"A lot of us do not want a new way to do something old on screen, we want something new on screen."

You're contradicting yourself.

Unless you mean you want Nintendo to invent an entirely new genre. Well, Wii fit sure doesn't fit into any of the old ones. (pun not intended)

It would be a lot more easy to understand that argument if you can use other games companies/games as reference. Who did things right this gen according to you?



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
KylieDog said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Boutros said:
KylieDog said:
RolStoppable said:

If you spit on New Super Mario Bros. Wii and at the same time demand the old Nintendo to come back, then that's the biggest contradiction you can possibly make.


I remember the old Nintendo pushing games forward in great new ways, I mean the games, not controllers (power glove ftw!).  Games like the original SMB, SMB3, LoZ, Metroid, then later on advancing them again going 3D like Mario 64 and OoT.  This gen we got Zeldas -still- copying OoT with only minor changes, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 is just Mario 64 with changing gravity, NSMB Wii has gone back even further than the N64 and is copying SNES games, Donkey Kong has gone back to SNES and so forth.

 

When people say they want the old Nintendo they don't mean clones of old Nintendo games, they mean they want them making something new.

Yeah that's mostly what I mean myself.


Most over looked new IP of the gen it seems  

Add in Excite Truck, Big Brain, Endless Ocean, Disaster DoC, Captain Rainbow, Dynamic Slash, Xenoblade, and The Last Story... yep no new IPs that Nintendo has brought or going to bring  

Nintendo never made many "game changers" per generation in the old days, most of the time just evolving older existing IPs (ala OoT and Mario 64) people just have rose tinted glasses of the past, the same tactics used today were used in the past, every so often you got a new IP sometimes that new IP had really unique game play, most of the time they took an old IP and improved it so much that people in the industry flat out copied them... and that's happening now... so what's different?

 

NOT NEW IPs.   New types of game/game design.  Wii Sports is minigames that existed long before the Wii, we played those long ago.  Knowledge quizes and such existed, Disaster is just a bunch of old genres bunched together etc etc.

 

Swinging a wii mote instead of pressing a button is not some new for a games content, and that is what nintendo are lacking this gen.  A lot of us do not want a new way to do something old on screen, we want something new on screen.


I find it hard pressed for you to actually find something today that doesn't barrow from something else... you're just moving goal posts when innovation and design is progressive and builds upon itself.  Some forms of game play you can still trace back to the Magnavox Brown Box... your stance just doesn't make sense so it really doesn't matter cause if you want to make that stance you must be unhappy with games as a whole right now. 

Please Kyliedog I beseech you, I really don't know why you have to agree with every garbage article and start some shit in every thread that is discussing the article, but it's getting old so please just stop it does nothing for you.

Nice. As soon as I saw Kyliedog post that I knew this line was coming. These forum arguments get more predictable by the day.



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THIS IS THE OLD NINTENDO. Thank God they've come back from the horrible years of N64 and Gamecube.



If this guy doesn't like Nintendo's offerings anymore, just move on to Sony/Microsoft like any sane person that felt this way did instead of whining and complaining in an article that will only stir up the inner-fanboy of all consoles.

Just stop. For the fate of humanity.



I pretty much thought that this is old Nintendo.



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RCTjunkie said:

If this guy doesn't like Nintendo's offerings anymore, just move on to Sony/Microsoft like any sane person that felt this way did instead of whining and complaining in an article that will only stir up the inner-fanboy of all consoles.

Just stop. For the fate of humanity.


To be honest, this thread is going well. Everybody gives his opinion about the matter in a respectful way and you should do the same.



Boutros said:
RCTjunkie said:

If this guy doesn't like Nintendo's offerings anymore, just move on to Sony/Microsoft like any sane person that felt this way did instead of whining and complaining in an article that will only stir up the inner-fanboy of all consoles.

Just stop. For the fate of humanity.


To be honest, this thread is going well. Everybody gives his opinion about the matter in a respectful way and you should do the same.


I thought my way was respectful... >_>

But you are right. I like how VGChartz handles these types of articles.



c0rd said:
dtewi said:

Well, I'd just like to let you know that they are not the worst.

SMBB>SMB64 any day of the week.

MKWii>Double Dash!!

And although I haven't played Twilight Princess, do you think that it's worse than LoZ for the NES?

I won't comment on the others, but I hope you're not implying The Legend of Zelda for the NES was a weak game! It's tied with Twilight Princess in user reviews on VGC, though I personally think it's better (not that it means much, since all console Zeldas are of extremely high quality)

 

As for the big whine in the OP, I question whether they know what "The Old Nintendo" is really about. It seems to me like the people who favor HD consoles are more fans of PC games than anything, with all the attention on graphics, story and such, and very little attention on local multiplayer, arcade style fun.

Old video game consoles, or "The Old Nintendo" was always focused on the latter. The NES games barely had any story, and had poor graphics compared to PC games. Nintendo did slowly drift off with the SNES and N64... with the GC way out there, being Nintendo's worst console by far (though largely because Rare was at its worst).

So I'm not sure how the console isn't associated with the mutual enjoyment of people who liked the old games (particularly NES, or arcade games), as it is easily the console with the strongest local multiplayer lineup on the market. People like our gran, our nieces, or other non-gamers? They loved the NES. It had games like Tetris, Duck-Hunt, and Pac-Man on it.

Remember, the Wii is not even 4 years old. Since the Wii is most comparable to the NES, just remember what the NES looked like at the same age - missing some of the most prolific games from the system, like Mega Man 2 and SMB3, FF and DQ...

You are actually absolutely wrong. PC fans abhor the HD consoles since they don't offer nothing more than mostly half-assed PC experiences. Meanwhile the Wii offers something that is not only far better on the PC, but is also neigh impossible on the PC.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

The single worst thing about Nintendo is the fact that they no longer come up with new IPs. I remember having an NES and watching that company CREATE Mario,Zelda,Metroid..etc. Since then, it's been nothing but the same old shit with the exception of Pikmin. Why is that? Lack of talent? Lack of interest? I don't know...but to me, that's what killed them.



It's like Nintari forgot about the vast list of new IPs that was just a little higher up the thread, though FlingSmash was missed out...

Stupid thread with just a load of opinions on it. No real engagement in a debate.



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