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Will The PS3 Sell 100M Before Its off The Market?

no Wii will always be ahead 56 38.89%
 
iz possible 46 31.94%
 
yes number 1 console of 7th gen 39 27.08%
 
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Carl on 25 February 2010
joeorc said:

but if you look at that the DSi has no GBA slot the DS lite does, the DSi has 2 cam's inside the device the DS lite does not even have 1 cam.

there is more that seperates the two system's that make them more unique DS system's than counted as the same.

like the PSP and the PSP Go

PSP 1000 had only 32MB's of ram and every PSP until the PSP slim had that same 32 MB's of Ram though the slim of the PSP had now 64 MB of ram

where as the PSPGo now add's the Bluetooth standard, but also the 16 GB flash storage. smaller screen , yes the loss of the UMD drive is what the old PSP's have over the PSPGo.

these are no longer the same unit's.

now imagine the game top set boxes doing the same, like it's already happened already.

the first xbox360 had no HDMi now it does, the first PLAYSTATION 3 has A card reader but since you can add a number of standard USB card reader's

they removed it out of the PS3.

That's how many SKU's have we seen this generation?

I do not think we have seen the last of them

All DSi units sold are counted in with DS lite, XL and DS. It is one unified platform.

What i am talking about is a whole new console, not a new SKU. A Wii 2. Not a Wii-i, Wii-lite or Wii-XL.



                            

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joeorc on 25 February 2010
Alterego-X said:
darkshadow23 said:
Alterego-X said:

BHR-3 said:

 

Sony usually keeps their console on the market for 10yrs ...  I believe that what really slowed down the PS2 sales was the fact that this gen started in 2005 which i believe slowed down the PS2 sales considerably resulting in only really 5 good solid years of sales...

...I dont see new consoles releasing till atleast 2013 or 2014 or even later so that will mean that the PS3 will have about 3-4 more years...

You are totally mixing cause and effect. 

Hardware sells because there is demand for it, not because Sony wants it to sell. The previous generation had to end because there was no longer sufficient demand for the PS2. 

 

Also, there were only two earlier Sony consoles, and they also happened to be the two best selling home consoles ever in the history of gaming. 

What do you think, what made them sell for such a long time? The magical "Sony" logo on their casing?  Or the exceptional demand (which the PS3 lacks)?

 

Obviously, if it would be a matter of wanting really hard, every company would keep their consoles on the market for ten years,   or more, too bad it is useless if people don't buy it.

Exactly WHAT will make people buy the PS3 for another 3-4 years, considering that even more successful consoles than it, lost momentum after a lot shorter time?

 

PS2 sales

Released 2000--

2000 5.6m

2001 16m

2002 21m

2003 19m

2004 16m

2005 18m (next gen began this year... check out that "no longer sufficient demand") =p

2006 13m

2007 10m

2008 6m

2009 4m

 

Perfect example, thank you. 

It can be clearly seen, as demand dramatically dropped after the fifth year. 

yes it is that one only has to look at the fact the xbox360 get's released and the updated graphic's was quite Apparent. the PS2 GRAPHIC'S WERE SEEN BY MANY AS DATED AND WITH GOOD REASON they were. did it stop the PS2 from still selling..no the price for the xbox360 when was first released $299.00 and $399.00 vs's the PS2's price of $179.00, and yet the PS2 was still selling even in new market's that the PS2 was not even released into then.



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Dampfi on 25 February 2010

In my opinion, it is very hard to predict sales of the PS3 in the long run, so yes, it could probably make it.



Alterego-X on 25 February 2010
joeorc said:
Alterego-X said:
darkshadow23 said:
Alterego-X said:

BHR-3 said:

 

Sony usually keeps their console on the market for 10yrs ...  I believe that what really slowed down the PS2 sales was the fact that this gen started in 2005 which i believe slowed down the PS2 sales considerably resulting in only really 5 good solid years of sales...

...I dont see new consoles releasing till atleast 2013 or 2014 or even later so that will mean that the PS3 will have about 3-4 more years...

You are totally mixing cause and effect. 

Hardware sells because there is demand for it, not because Sony wants it to sell. The previous generation had to end because there was no longer sufficient demand for the PS2. 

 

Also, there were only two earlier Sony consoles, and they also happened to be the two best selling home consoles ever in the history of gaming. 

What do you think, what made them sell for such a long time? The magical "Sony" logo on their casing?  Or the exceptional demand (which the PS3 lacks)?

 

Obviously, if it would be a matter of wanting really hard, every company would keep their consoles on the market for ten years,   or more, too bad it is useless if people don't buy it.

Exactly WHAT will make people buy the PS3 for another 3-4 years, considering that even more successful consoles than it, lost momentum after a lot shorter time?

 

PS2 sales

Released 2000--

2000 5.6m

2001 16m

2002 21m

2003 19m

2004 16m

2005 18m (next gen began this year... check out that "no longer sufficient demand") =p

2006 13m

2007 10m

2008 6m

2009 4m

 

Perfect example, thank you. 

It can be clearly seen, as demand dramatically dropped after the fifth year. 

yes it is that one only has to look at the fact the xbox360 get's released and the updated graphic's was quite Apparent. the PS2 GRAPHIC'S WERE SEEN BY MANY AS DATED AND WITH GOOD REASON they were. did it stop the PS2 from still selling..no the price for the xbox360 when was first released $299.00 and $399.00 vs's the PS2's price of $179.00, and yet the PS2 was still selling even in new market's that the PS2 was not even released into then.

The 2005 xbox 360 buyers were first adopters, the same sort of people who bought PS2s around 2000, not taking away from the group of those who were expected to buy cheap PS2s in 2006. 

 



joeorc on 25 February 2010
Carl2291 said:
joeorc said:

but if you look at that the DSi has no GBA slot the DS lite does, the DSi has 2 cam's inside the device the DS lite does not even have 1 cam.

there is more that seperates the two system's that make them more unique DS system's than counted as the same.

like the PSP and the PSP Go

PSP 1000 had only 32MB's of ram and every PSP until the PSP slim had that same 32 MB's of Ram though the slim of the PSP had now 64 MB of ram

where as the PSPGo now add's the Bluetooth standard, but also the 16 GB flash storage. smaller screen , yes the loss of the UMD drive is what the old PSP's have over the PSPGo.

these are no longer the same unit's.

now imagine the game top set boxes doing the same, like it's already happened already.

the first xbox360 had no HDMi now it does, the first PLAYSTATION 3 has A card reader but since you can add a number of standard USB card reader's

they removed it out of the PS3.

That's how many SKU's have we seen this generation?

I do not think we have seen the last of them

All DSi units sold are counted in with DS lite, XL and DS. It is one unified platform.

What i am talking about is a whole new console, not a new SKU. A Wii 2. Not a Wii-i, Wii-lite or Wii-XL.

I know what you were talking about, what i am pointing out that these companies are or maybe taking a more upgradeable sku step distribution release  than release a whole new system. thus all three release the unit's in the same core system but change the hardware +/- but is that not the point, Nintendo and now Sony and Microsoft are doing just that,  already, the system's are being changed as they go along instead of releasing an whole system. that would be cheaper than a new system.the PS3 system's had temp. price drop's on some of their SKU's to clear out the system's than those were phased out. the xbox360 also now has arcade unit's with an extra 256 MB of on board flash storage ram. the first one did not have that storage ram.

why not one unified platform for the other's , why would these companies not do that?

with a recession, and job loss that's most likely not going to end anytime soon

I think that's more inline than release early a whole new system.



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ps:

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Carl on 25 February 2010
joeorc said:
Carl2291 said:

All DSi units sold are counted in with DS lite, XL and DS. It is one unified platform.

What i am talking about is a whole new console, not a new SKU. A Wii 2. Not a Wii-i, Wii-lite or Wii-XL.

I know what you were talking about, what i am pointing out that these companies are or maybe taking a more upgradeable sku step distribution release  than release a whole new system. thus all three release the unit's in the same core system but change the hardware +/- but is that not the point, Nintendo and now Sony and Microsoft are doing just that,  already, the system's are being changed as they go along instead of releasing an whole system. that would be cheaper than a new system.the PS3 system's had temp. price drop's on some of their SKU's to clear out the system's than those were phased out. the xbox360 also now has arcade unit's with an extra 256 MB of on board flash storage ram. the first one did not have that storage ram.

why not one unified platform for the other's , why would these companies not do that?

with a recession, and job loss that's most likely not going to end anytime soon

I think that's more inline than release early a whole new system.

I get what you mean now.

It's possible!



                            

The Ghost of RubangB on 25 February 2010
Carl2291 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Last generation PS2 + XBox + GC was somewhere around 185 million I think.

Considering that the Wii and PS3 came out at the same time and the Wii has consistently sold over twice as much, if the PS3 sells 100 million, the Wii will be at about 210 million at the absolute least, and the Xbox360 will probably be close to the PS3 at 90 - 110 million. This would make the total of all 3 systems 410 million. That would make this generation 220% bigger than last generation. The 2nd and 3rd place consoles will be doing about 5 times better than the XBox and GC?

Yes this generation will last longer than last generation, and is much bigger thanks to the market expansion, and the 2nd and 3rd places are doing much much better than usual. But at some point, everybody but the market leader slows down.


I just don't see any of this happening. There just isn't room for a 2nd or 3rd place console to sell 100 million units. It'll be easier for the Wii to sell 200 million than for the PS3 to sell 100 million, but I'm not even sure if that's going to happen (depends on how slow the Wii burns out over the next 5-8 years). The market is a lot bigger for the Wii and the casuals and women and old people and monkey butlers and whatever, but the hardcore isn't 5 times bigger than it was a few years ago.

The only problem is, and it's a long shot...

What if the Wii successor is out either this year or next? Sony and MS have both stated how they want this gen to last for a long, long time so i doubt we will see anything from them for a few years yet, especially if Natal and Arc both sell moderately well.

Nintendo have constant rumor's of new hardware being revealed, and don't seem to talk about how long they want the Wii to be on sale for (i haven't seen anything anyway).

It could severely drop Wii sales as Nintendo focus on the Wii2, and could keep Wii from hitting PS2-like numbers.

I think all of those rumors are lies.  They're intentional FUD spread by Nintendo's enemies to make casual users go "Huh... maybe I shouldn't get a Wii if a new one's about to come out."  If you can get casual customers to believe those rumors for just a few more months, you might be able to steal them with Natal or Arc.  I see no reason for the market leader who is still breaking all sales records to cut their success short.  It would be like Avatar 2 coming out a month after Avatar.  These are the same people saying that a Wii price cut highlights its weakness, while a PS3 price cut highlights its strength.

But even with a Wii 2, it wouldn't hurt the Wii.  The market leader always lasts extra long.  Only systems like the XBox and GameCube get cut short when the companies need to rejuvenate their strategy with a new console.  The SNES didn't hurt the NES, the GBA didn't hurt the GB, the PS2 didn't hurt the PS1, and the DS didn't hurt the GBA.  And on the other hand, the PS1 didn't hurt the SNES and the Wii didn't hurt the PS2.  The Wii has more momentum than any of those systems ever had.  It should burn out a lot slower, no matter how long this gen is.

If the Wii2 came out tomorrow, the Wii would go down to $130 or $150 at some point, and still have Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and 3 Mario games.  For 3 years now the industry has proven that nobody has any ideas more appealing to consumers than Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and 2-D Mario.  Nintendo's in no hurry to slow the Wii down, and in fact they're working on speeding it up with a Mario/Metroid/Zelda/WiiVitality superbomb.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 25 February 2010
joeorc said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Last generation PS2 + XBox + GC was somewhere around 185 million I think.

Considering that the Wii and PS3 came out at the same time and the Wii has consistently sold over twice as much, if the PS3 sells 100 million, the Wii will be at about 210 million at the absolute least, and the Xbox360 will probably be close to the PS3 at 90 - 110 million. This would make the total of all 3 systems 410 million. That would make this generation 220% bigger than last generation. The 2nd and 3rd place consoles will be doing about 5 times better than the XBox and GC?

Yes this generation will last longer than last generation, and is much bigger thanks to the market expansion, and the 2nd and 3rd places are doing much much better than usual. But at some point, everybody but the market leader slows down.


I just don't see any of this happening. There just isn't room for a 2nd or 3rd place console to sell 100 million units. It'll be easier for the Wii to sell 200 million than for the PS3 to sell 100 million, but I'm not even sure if that's going to happen (depends on how slow the Wii burns out over the next 5-8 years). The market is a lot bigger for the Wii and the casuals and women and old people and monkey butlers and whatever, but the hardcore isn't 5 times bigger than it was a few years ago.

yes it may be unthinkable, but one only has to look at the growth of the market world wide this generation vs' last generation the Wii is in 38 countries world wide, how many was the game cube in last generation?, not 38

just look at the xbox360's market penetration :

the first xbox was only released in limited areas vs's this generation now 21 region's for the xbox360.

the market can sustain the growth. I think that has more to do with the advancement of technology as a whole even 3rd world nation's what would have been no way near the advancement of technology now with thing's OLPC:

http://laptop.org/en/children/index.shtml

the world is getting smaller for communication and technology unlike 10 year's ago who would of ever thought of the Netbook reaching a price of $100.00 or less, yes that's quite a bit of money  in some place's of the world but also there is many areas that now have this technology in those countries that many thought there would be no way because of the econmic's there but yet there it is.

I really don't think any of these new markets make that much of a difference... yet.  They're all contributing a few thousand sales here and there, and not the millions needed for PS3 to get to 100 million.

The big 3 are creating new markets in new regions, but they're just planting seeds right now, hoping to build up a userbasee for 5-15 years from now.  I don't think we're going to see 10 million Wiis in Korea or 10 million 360s in India any time soon, but I think that might happen in 1 or 2 generations.



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thx1139 on 25 February 2010

First off you predicted that PS3 will be at 50 million shipped at end of 2010. That is another 16.5 million shipping in 2010. That aint gonna happen. I expect that for next FY Sony will shoot for another 13 million. They wont have a price drop boost to push it beyond this years numbers.

Second Sony 10 year plan isnt 10 years without a successor. Expect 2012-2013 for PS4. When that happens PS3 sales will drop far more than PS2 sales dropped because PS3 will never be nearly as successful as PS2.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

GameAnalyser on 25 February 2010

it shud be reaching there, every possibility of it in ten years, first couple of years will definitely sell thru 12+ mn consoles, and onto 9-10mn, then 5mn and finally total that much by around 2016.