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eva01beserk said:
EricHiggin said:

You've got a point, but devs won't forget PS3 or XB1 for a long time. XBSX will give devs new hope and they will try to push it as much as reasonably possible due to MS's renewed efforts. They don't want SNY getting too full of themselves again. Just look at the cross play push for example. Now the pubs though, how much they can push the devs to favor one console over another is hard to say. They certainly will favor the one that sells the most games, but I don't think the devs will fall in line like they may have decades ago. They both should know better by now as to what happens when you decide to basically go all in on just one brand, and need to keep an open mind going forward.

The hardware hasn't been the most exciting really, yet interesting. Hopefully the big excitement now comes with the games and prices.

I'm all for good competition. Drops prices drives innovation and so on. But I'm not gona root for someone who is definitely doing something wrong just cuz they need the boost. 7th and 8th gen ms does not get any good will from me and I'm pessimistic going into 9th. Phil's promises might come true but unroll they do I will prefer Sony to dominate than to prop up bad practices just for the sake of competition. 

eva01beserk said:
EricHiggin said:

You've got a point, but devs won't forget PS3 or XB1 for a long time. XBSX will give devs new hope and they will try to push it as much as reasonably possible due to MS's renewed efforts. They don't want SNY getting too full of themselves again. Just look at the cross play push for example. Now the pubs though, how much they can push the devs to favor one console over another is hard to say. They certainly will favor the one that sells the most games, but I don't think the devs will fall in line like they may have decades ago. They both should know better by now as to what happens when you decide to basically go all in on just one brand, and need to keep an open mind going forward.

The hardware hasn't been the most exciting really, yet interesting. Hopefully the big excitement now comes with the games and prices.

*XB1(S) is a lot like PS3. Both were the wrong moves at the wrong time, and maybe just flat out dumb altogether. PS3 Slim and XB1X though were redeeming.

Saw your edit late.

I don't think its the same. Ps3 slim solved the main issue of the ps3 such was the price. Xb1x gave more power. There where many issues with the launch of the x1 but power was just one and not the main one. Kinect was the main one and they got it. Games is their second biggest and I believe its truly their biggest flaw and it was not solved, it was basicly pushed for the new gen. More power for more money really dint do much and can see by the still lack of sales.

XB has suffered enough. It's a new gen and time to give them another chance. Gotta see if they run with it or piss it away.

Made my edit late, lol. Oops.

PS3 was a fairly significant change. BC didn't hinder making PS3 games themselves, but it held those games back way more than people think due to lack of sales through price. If PS3 had launched more like the Slim even at just $499, it would have sold so much better. $399 would have allowed it to quickly match 360 sales if not get ahead, but I have a hard time believing they could have launched that low by just removing BC and having it be a little smaller. Having the $599 'high end' model really hurt them, because that wasn't normal for consoles like it is for everything now, and people thought if they couldn't have the best, why bother. Not to mention the 'high end' 360's $200 lower price and momentum by then.

XB1 was basically a more affordable 'shitty PS3'. MS tried to do the same thing as SNY by creating an all in one box, but they skimped on the gaming portion of it to save cost, and then added something most didn't want on top with even more cost. By removing Kinect, like PS3 removing BC, they fixed the price issue. By adding Game Pass, they in their own way, partially fixed the games issue, like PS3 and it's later gen exclusives.

XB1X hasn't fixed things as much for MS as PS3 Slim did for SNY, but MS screwed up pretty darn bad, in a social media world, and PS has always had way more brand recognition to help drag them out of the mud.

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EricHiggin said:
eva01beserk said:

I get you . I wish things end up that way. But still is money that drives big publishers like EA. Sony and ms could bend over backwards but if it dont make them money they will abandon it on the spot. Its unless one console pulls ahead enough they won't allow any lost profit by making one obviously better than another. And ps3 and 360 was diferent as they probably tried parity but where not able to reach it. 

Just remember there have been so many games in the last couple of years that are runing like trash on the base xbox on. Devs dont care anymore. While base ps4 plays average.

Yea sony has all the momentum. I'm pretty sure they will deliver. And honestly ps5 dominating again seems more than likely with MS approach to gaming now. 

You've got a point, but devs won't forget PS3 or XB1 for a long time. XBSX will give devs new hope and they will try to push it as much as reasonably possible due to MS's renewed efforts. They don't want SNY getting too full of themselves again. Just look at the cross play push for example. Now the pubs though, how much they can push the devs to favor one console over another is hard to say. They certainly will favor the one that sells the most games, but I don't think the devs will fall in line like they may have decades ago. They both should know better by now as to what happens when you decide to basically go all in on just one brand, and need to keep an open mind going forward.

The hardware hasn't been the most exciting really, yet interesting. Hopefully the big excitement now comes with the games and prices.

*XB1(S) is a lot like PS3. Both were the wrong moves at the wrong time, and maybe just flat out dumb altogether. PS3 Slim and XB1X though were redeeming.

I really don't get what people are thinking or expecting...

PS4 vs XB1
GPU: PS4 40% > XB1
Memory Bandwidth : PS4 250% > XB1 (lets even dropthat down to 150% due to the XB1's arbitrary ESRAM)
Resultant difference : PS4 1080p > XB1 900p (30% rez difference)

PS4pro vs XB1X
GPU : PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Memory bandwidth: PS4pro 50%< XB1X
Memory Quantity:PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Resultant Difference: (on average 30%-40% resolution difference in favor of XB1X)

PS5 vs XSX
GPU: PS5 18% < XSX
Memory Bandwidth: PS5 30% < XSX

And somehow... people are expecting there to be some sort of miracles being done here? Expecting anything more than a sub 20% difference in resolution as the only differentiating factor?




EricHiggin said:
eva01beserk said:

I'm all for good competition. Drops prices drives innovation and so on. But I'm not gona root for someone who is definitely doing something wrong just cuz they need the boost. 7th and 8th gen ms does not get any good will from me and I'm pessimistic going into 9th. Phil's promises might come true but unroll they do I will prefer Sony to dominate than to prop up bad practices just for the sake of competition. 

eva01beserk said:

Saw your edit late.

I don't think its the same. Ps3 slim solved the main issue of the ps3 such was the price. Xb1x gave more power. There where many issues with the launch of the x1 but power was just one and not the main one. Kinect was the main one and they got it. Games is their second biggest and I believe its truly their biggest flaw and it was not solved, it was basicly pushed for the new gen. More power for more money really dint do much and can see by the still lack of sales.

XB has suffered enough. It's a new gen and time to give them another chance. Gotta see if they run with it or piss it away.

Made my edit late, lol. Oops.

PS3 was a fairly significant change. BC didn't hinder making PS3 games themselves, but it held those games back way more than people think due to lack of sales through price. If PS3 had launched more like the Slim even at just $499, it would have sold so much better. $399 would have allowed it to quickly match 360 sales if not get ahead, but I have a hard time believing they could have launched that low by just removing BC and having it be a little smaller. Having the $599 'high end' model really hurt them, because that wasn't normal for consoles like it is for everything now, and people thought if they couldn't have the best, why bother. Not to mention the 'high end' 360's $200 lower price and momentum by then.

XB1 was basically a more affordable 'shitty PS3'. MS tried to do the same thing as SNY by creating an all in one box, but they skimped on the gaming portion of it to save cost, and then added something most didn't want on top with even more cost. By removing Kinect, like PS3 removing BC, they fixed the price issue. By adding Game Pass, they in their own way, partially fixed the games issue, like PS3 and it's later gen exclusives.

XB1X hasn't fixed things as much for MS as PS3 Slim did for SNY, but MS screwed up pretty darn bad, in a social media world, and PS has always had way more brand recognition to help drag them out of the mud.

Hey man I won't hold it against them I just don't see them pulling throw. If they do deliver on the games front I have no issue of supporting them. At least on pc the few games they might have that would like. If they do good on the games front I would definitely buy the xsx. 

And I get what you are trying to say .They did turn a lot of things around and you can say xbox is a diferent brand than it was in 2013. But they dint fix the lack of games problem and its still just a promise for next gen. I would have preferred they left all the bad practices they had but focused on games instead. I honestly think they would have faired better.



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Intrinsic said:
EricHiggin said:

You've got a point, but devs won't forget PS3 or XB1 for a long time. XBSX will give devs new hope and they will try to push it as much as reasonably possible due to MS's renewed efforts. They don't want SNY getting too full of themselves again. Just look at the cross play push for example. Now the pubs though, how much they can push the devs to favor one console over another is hard to say. They certainly will favor the one that sells the most games, but I don't think the devs will fall in line like they may have decades ago. They both should know better by now as to what happens when you decide to basically go all in on just one brand, and need to keep an open mind going forward.

The hardware hasn't been the most exciting really, yet interesting. Hopefully the big excitement now comes with the games and prices.

*XB1(S) is a lot like PS3. Both were the wrong moves at the wrong time, and maybe just flat out dumb altogether. PS3 Slim and XB1X though were redeeming.

I really don't get what people are thinking or expecting...

PS4 vs XB1
GPU: PS4 40% > XB1
Memory Bandwidth : PS4 250% > XB1 (lets even dropthat down to 150% due to the XB1's arbitrary ESRAM)
Resultant difference : PS4 1080p > XB1 900p (30% rez difference)

PS4pro vs XB1X
GPU : PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Memory bandwidth: PS4pro 50%< XB1X
Memory Quantity:PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Resultant Difference: (on average 30%-40% resolution difference in favor of XB1X)

PS5 vs XSX
GPU: PS5 18% < XSX
Memory Bandwidth: PS5 30% < XSX

And somehow... people are expecting there to be some sort of miracles being done here? Expecting anything more than a sub 20% difference in resolution as the only differentiating factor?


Not like anybody would notice any ways. 



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Intrinsic said:
EricHiggin said:

You've got a point, but devs won't forget PS3 or XB1 for a long time. XBSX will give devs new hope and they will try to push it as much as reasonably possible due to MS's renewed efforts. They don't want SNY getting too full of themselves again. Just look at the cross play push for example. Now the pubs though, how much they can push the devs to favor one console over another is hard to say. They certainly will favor the one that sells the most games, but I don't think the devs will fall in line like they may have decades ago. They both should know better by now as to what happens when you decide to basically go all in on just one brand, and need to keep an open mind going forward.

The hardware hasn't been the most exciting really, yet interesting. Hopefully the big excitement now comes with the games and prices.

*XB1(S) is a lot like PS3. Both were the wrong moves at the wrong time, and maybe just flat out dumb altogether. PS3 Slim and XB1X though were redeeming.

I really don't get what people are thinking or expecting...

PS4 vs XB1
GPU: PS4 40% > XB1
Memory Bandwidth : PS4 250% > XB1 (lets even dropthat down to 150% due to the XB1's arbitrary ESRAM)
Resultant difference : PS4 1080p > XB1 900p (30% rez difference)

PS4pro vs XB1X
GPU : PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Memory bandwidth: PS4pro 50%< XB1X
Memory Quantity:PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Resultant Difference: (on average 30%-40% resolution difference in favor of XB1X)

PS5 vs XSX
GPU: PS5 18% < XSX
Memory Bandwidth: PS5 30% < XSX

And somehow... people are expecting there to be some sort of miracles being done here? Expecting anything more than a sub 20% difference in resolution as the only differentiating factor?

It's more than just the TF's and raw SSD speeds yup. Those are just what is hyped. What exactly can be done with all of it when each orchestra is ready to perform will be another thing. Practice makes perfect, not the instrument. Though a better instrument certainly helps, some more than others.



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i'm still waiting for a game as epic and awe as shadow of the colossus to come along. As good as the specs are, rarely do we get games that do something different and amazing. We already have the specs on current consoles do make such games and can go on for years of people were to make those unique games. I don't know what will change much for next gen, but it seems the focus is on resolution , fps and speed. Ray tracing and 4/8k, high fps wil ltax the system hard. I'd much rather see games of highly detailed worlds, unique games that we don't see much, pushing boundries, and evolution of Ai and physics that change the way games are played. I'm not concerned about the ps5 specs, sony devs have the best game engines and it's all about efficiency and fully utilising that engine, while also being efficient with the ps5 architecture, which will evolve and improve to the end, not to mention engine upgrades and other software enhancements. 

Last edited by KratosLives - on 28 March 2020

Intrinsic said:

Thats it... there is a reason why a 3% drop in clock speed can save as much as 10W of power and why something as simple as a map screen can make the GPU go crazy. But that's not what you asked lol.

And the people that say things like "just how big is that clock drop going to be", do not understand this fundamental part clocks and power draw. Eg, it can take 20W to get a chip from 1500Mh to 1800Mhz, but take 20W to get it from 1800Mhz to 1830Mhz.

Thanks, I appreciate the reply. Probably the easiest breakdown I've read.



I'm just sitting here wondering how the hell Sony and M$ are selling consoles with those specs for anything under $1000. I'm in need of a PC upgrade, and I've already given up on achieving parity with the XSeX because it throws the whole thing out of my price range. Let alone the GPUs and NVME drives.



Trunkin said:

I'm just sitting here wondering how the hell Sony and M$ are selling consoles with those specs for anything under $1000. I'm in need of a PC upgrade, and I've already given up on achieving parity with the XSeX because it throws the whole thing out of my price range. Let alone the GPUs and NVME drives.

Custom parts is how. They aren't direct off the shelf PC hardware. 



                                                                                                             

This videos feel nice. The over analysis of hardware specs makes me feel all nostalgic.