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Seems we were not the only ones that noticed this very enthusiastic crowd for Bloomberg:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/michael-bloomberg-had-very-enthusiastic-audience-support-at-the-debate-for-some-reason.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/south-carolina-debate-crowd-bloomberg-team-denies-buying-the-room-956447/



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If you think that was bad, the generals will be ten times worse. Expect Trump crowds, Trump moderators and questions like "explain to me why taxation isn't theft".

All things considered, though, I don't think any candidate will miss that debate. My opinion about it:

Winners: Warren, Biden

Middle-ground: Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar

Losers: Steyer, Bloomberg

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tsogud said:

Bloomberg is fucking disgusting. He is the embodiment of the corruption, greed and everything that's wrong in our socioeconomical system. First he is trying to buy this election, then he buys "volunteers" to canvass for him and then he buys a huge ass crowd in the debate to cheer for him and boo Sanders and Warren. I can't be the only fucking one who's completely livid over this!!?? And he's just fucking getting away with it! Biden and Klobuchar are miles ahead of this man, I'd rather have them as the centrist nominee.

DarthMetalliCube said:

I honestly had no clue there was a debate tonight. My two prefered candidates are out of the race/not there, so not really interested. Sounds like I didn't miss much lol.

Biden's going senile..

Bernie got an unusually high number of boos while Bloomberg an unusual number of applause.. Paid for some shills perhaps? Lord knows he pours millions upon millions trying to buy this election so wouldn't surprise me - can't watch TV for 10 minutes without seeing a damn Bloomberg ad.

Or at the very least, likely some wealthier folk in the crowd that would empathize with him far more than the Bern.

Mnementh said:
Seems we were not the only ones that noticed this very enthusiastic crowd for Bloomberg:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/michael-bloomberg-had-very-enthusiastic-audience-support-at-the-debate-for-some-reason.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/south-carolina-debate-crowd-bloomberg-team-denies-buying-the-room-956447/



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SpokenTruth said:

Biden:
His best debate. Set himself up good for the SC primary. I like that he is respecting the debate rules more than some others.

Ironically, it was Biden who broke the taboo about being respectful of your opponent in a presidential debate in the first place.  Before his antics again Paul Ryan in 2012, it was practically unheard of to so much as interrupt your opponent.  Heck, Gore and Bush 43 were harshly criticized for just looking irritated and some sighing in Gore's case.

Of course, the 2016 Republican debates took it all to a new level, but Biden broke the seal and changed everything when he not only got away with his antics, but got a boost from them.



NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

Biden:
His best debate. Set himself up good for the SC primary. I like that he is respecting the debate rules more than some others.

Ironically, it was Biden who broke the taboo about being respectful of your opponent in a presidential debate in the first place.  Before his antics again Paul Ryan in 2012, it was practically unheard of to so much as interrupt your opponent.  Heck, Gore and Bush 43 were harshly criticized for just looking irritated and some sighing in Gore's case.

Of course, the 2016 Republican debates took it all to a new level, but Biden broke the seal and changed everything when he not only got away with his antics, but got a boost from them.

I'll take your word for it because I never watched any of the VP debates in 2012. ...or in general for that matter.



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On top of the bought and paid for audience, the DNC allowed Bloomberg to run his ads during the commercial breaks. I can't recall seeing other candidate ads during a debate before.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

NightlyPoe said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Keep on projecting. Again, it's not identity, it's just a demographic description. And again, what are you doing in this thread if you think that the "expressed plan of the Democrat party" is that evil and crazy?

I'm in the thread because I have interest in politics.

And if you think your party's expressed plan is that evil and crazy, maybe you should take a step back and rethink your support for them?

As for my "projecting", I refused to support the Republican nominee when I saw Trump employing the same exact tactics the Obama-era Democrat party attempted in reverse.  I also advocated against the Bush-era lighter attempts at such politics from Karl Rove.  I'm clean on that count.  So we're back to you.  Why do you support politics that just divide Americans up and then try to make them vote as members of a tribe instead of as individuals?

If you're interested in politics, go to the politics thread, stay out of this one. I don't support divisive politics, nor do I think my party's plan is evil and crazy, that's just your straw man. Stop putting words in my mouth. I just described some demographic trends. You're the one making this about identity, because you're projecting.



SpokenTruth said:
NightlyPoe said:

Ironically, it was Biden who broke the taboo about being respectful of your opponent in a presidential debate in the first place.  Before his antics again Paul Ryan in 2012, it was practically unheard of to so much as interrupt your opponent.  Heck, Gore and Bush 43 were harshly criticized for just looking irritated and some sighing in Gore's case.

Of course, the 2016 Republican debates took it all to a new level, but Biden broke the seal and changed everything when he not only got away with his antics, but got a boost from them.

I'll take your word for it because I never watched any of the VP debates in 2012. ...or in general for that matter.

Just as a comparison, here it is.  Post-2016, it doesn't seem like much.  But at the time, it was unprecedented that he'd show such little respect for his opponent.

It's also pretty demonstrative of just how much he's decline the past 8 years compared to even his "good" performance last night.



NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

I'll take your word for it because I never watched any of the VP debates in 2012. ...or in general for that matter.

Just as a comparison, here it is.



It's also pretty demonstrative of just how much he's decline the past 8 years compared to even his "good" performance last night.

I'll give it a watch later.  Might be good to put this video in the Is Biden's Campaign Dead thread too.



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NightlyPoe said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Yeah, during the Us vs They times, the early Boomers (later boomers were still too young at the time) and late silents were for those changes. But the thing is, almost all the activists during that time were silents or even greatest, not boomers. Boomers mostly get the credit for being there, but it was silents who started it and got things done. Once that ended in the early 70's, boomers became increasingly self-centric. Us vs they became me vs you.

The reason for that was that the boomers were from the beginning very individualistic. Many opposed Vietnam and were in favor or the Civil rights movement for their own personal reasons, not on the grounds that it would be right or wrong, mostly to stick it to their parents and the nuclear family concept they opposed. But come the 70's and the first Xers getting close to puberty, and the boomers have evolved into exactly the things they opposed before. They became "the Man".

I should probably start by noting that I don't respond to Youtube videos and usually won't watch them.

Again, though, you're proving me correct.  Whether it's to stick it to their parents in the 60s and 70s or the high of joining an outrage mob on Twitter today, people's voting patterns can and will change.

You declared yourself correct without even properly responding to his argument. You've been saying you don't watch Youtube videos for literal months, since the beginning of the "dedicated politics threads" era, really. It's lazy, a cop-out, and intellectually dishonest to act like you can adequately respond to people without watching their response. Just because you're too lazy to watch a video doesn't mean you can dismiss people's arguments.

Here, here's some not videos for you, or are you too lazy to read too? Clicking links in general too much to ask? You want to come into the thread and call democrats bigots, but don't want to hear what we have to say. People getting conservative when they get older is not supported by studies on the matter.

https://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/05/poor-people-often-dont-survive-to-become-seniors-who-vote.html