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He said it was rhetorical, meaning he doesn't care about XaviX or MSX. I've seen MSX in action once, although I've never seen the XaviX, just read about it. Frankly, I don't care. The Wii's innovation is that it uses motion sensing technology in a fresh, exciting way...nobody cares that it stole XaviX's thunder as you put it. That's just how the gaming industry works. Nintendo deserves more credit for their marketing strategy and getting the motion sensing console known.



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BenKenobi88 said: Yes. A speaker, rumble, and pointing device make it more advanced...but the big difference is that the SixAxis can only detect roll, pitch, and yaw. Simply put, it's tilt vs. motion sensing. The technology inside the Sixaxis is a basic tilting accelerometer device. In a sense, that's the same style of control as the Wiimote's left hand nun-chuck. The actual PS3 hardware (the console itself) is lacking the full motion sensing technology that recognizes swinging or stabbing motions or anything apart from raises and tilts "to the controller. The Wii's technology allows for a complete 360 degree range of motion, and the addition of the sensor bar adds checks the controllers position in relation to the screen. This allows for aiming and depth. It's impossible to play Wii Sports with a SixAxis, although Super Monkey Ball would work, cause that's just tilting. You can see it when you hold a bat in Wii Sports baseball. You can hold it behind your head and wave it around a little, seeing your motion directly translated to the baseball bat on the screen. The SixAxis cannot detect that.
How does this get repeated so often? The sixaxis can sense both rotational orientation and translational acceleration along all three dimensional axes. The naming convention is wrong there are not 6 axis but they are trying to get the point across that the controller can provide a full six degrees of freedom. ( the device also may contain two 3-axis accelerometers) Wherever you got your information from it is wrong. Furthurmore "-yeah, and the way it uses the IR sensing is really cool...something the PS3 doesn't have." They way the PS3 is designed no one cares about IR sensing. "-The SixAxis has NO speaker" And? Am I the only one here who doesn't give a crap about the speaker? "-The SixAxis does not rumble." I'll cry about it later.... just like I cried when my wavebird didn....... actually I didn't care. "-Get a 30 dollar charger...it's not that bad..." Sixaxis charges on the PS3 without the need to purchase something else "To me, it sounds like the SixAxis sucks in comparison to the Wiimote. Also, Phil Harrison hardly ever has anything nice to say...see "Wii=impulse buy" or "$1200 per PS3 on shelves." Saying we should respect the Wii is probably the nicest thing he's said in months, and that's sad. You wonder why people hate Sony...it's because of the image this guy gives it." To me this is nothing negative. Your bonuses on the Wii remote sound more like a child bragging about how many jellybeans he can stick in his nose. If you like it, that great but I do not see the great advantages it provides. The wii menu is designed witht he wiimote in mind while the PS3's menu isn't I do not think trying to navigate the XMB with a pointing device would be fun. Phil Harrison said something. The comment within itself is not negative So if you percieve it to be an insult it is your problem. Calling something an impulse buy is not a negative thing.



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I have yet to see definitive proof that the SixAxis has such accelerometers.



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BenKenobi88 said: He said it was rhetorical, meaning he doesn't care about XaviX or MSX. I've seen MSX in action once, although I've never seen the XaviX, just read about it. Frankly, I don't care. The Wii's innovation is that it uses motion sensing technology in a fresh, exciting way...nobody cares that it stole XaviX's thunder as you put it. That's just how the gaming industry works. Nintendo deserves more credit for their marketing strategy and getting the motion sensing console known.
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@ Diomedes, good ole Phil is Executive Vice President of SCEE. I would say the title isn't incorrect since his wording implies that he is one of several presidents, which is kinda true. Does anyone find it funny that Peter Moore recently said MS needs to take a page from Nintendo, whereas Sony just reiterates their company line and ignores Nintendo's success. Seriously MS admits the success of a competitor and the failings of their product whereas Sony is steadfast in denial. Now regarding the MSX, go learn a little more about it. MSX wasn't made by just Sony but many Japanese electronics corporations as it was a hardware standard created by Microsoft. Using your logic, we could claim that MS was in the game industry before Sony. And MSX wasn't any more game centered than it's contemporary Commodore 64's or Atari Computers.... Long before Sony was making the MSX, Nintendo was producing arcade hardware. Not to mention the first MSX's were released at almost the same time as the Famicom. Goodbye.



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BenKenobi88 said: He said it was rhetorical, meaning he doesn't care about XaviX or MSX. I've seen MSX in action once, although I've never seen the XaviX, just read about it. Frankly, I don't care. The Wii's innovation is that it uses motion sensing technology in a fresh, exciting way...nobody cares that it stole XaviX's thunder as you put it. That's just how the gaming industry works. Nintendo deserves more credit for their marketing strategy and getting the motion sensing console known.
I find this funny. When sony announced motion sensing they are unoriginal and thiefs. Yet when you point out that the Nintendo didn't creat or think up of this tech first , it is now in a fresh new way. This type of sentiment exploded after E3. People then wanted to claim who was first...... after the arguement fails then it is who made it more popular. It is one way or the other not both. PS forgive the frequency of post please. I am really bored right now. PS PS context of post "BIZ: Can you name a few things about Nintendo and Microsoft that they may have done a better job at than Sony and a few things where perhaps they could improve and learn from Sony? PH: Both companies clearly have great strengths and they've both done some wonderful things in their respective fields. What could they learn from us? I think Nintendo, although I am very respectful of the innovation in Wii, and I think everybody should be respectful of it, I'm not sure that it has the technology base to propel that platform in the long-term. So I think their platform lifecycle is inherently going to be shorter, so they could have learned from us in terms of the high technology approach. Microsoft's approach I think is far too built around a single game IP, one IP, and they could learn the benefits of a killer catalog rather than a killer application. And having the broad software support in multiple genres, in multiple categories, in multiple age groups is what really propels a platform for the long-term. So I think those are the differences that we see between the platforms." Can people stop calling him arrogant?



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Ok, so now I'm buying a 30$ battery for each of my controllers. That adds 120$ to the cost of my Wii. EDIT: That means. 130+60+120+250= 560$ That includes Wii Sports and Wii Play. Wow. I could get a PS3 for that. Damn the Wii is killer price. Buy Super Monkey Ball, and Rayman. (The 2 party games out right now) and your looking at 660$ + tax where I am that would be 720$. What's so great about that is. I can get a PS3, Resistance, and a controller for damn near the same price... That's with a 60gb model. A 20gb model would be cheaper. 500+50=550 10$ cheaper than the Wii. (2 controllers is optimal for the PS3 because there arent any 3 or more player games worth buying on the PS3. So the PS3 is officially cheaper than the Wii now. :D EDIT2: What I love is for the Nintendo 560$ your getting about 250$ worth of hardware, and for the Sony 550, your getting close to 850$ worth of hardware. Damn I bet sony wishes they could pull those kinds of numbers.



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sieanr said: Does anyone find it funny that Peter Moore recently said MS needs to take a page from Nintendo, whereas Sony just reiterates their company line and ignores Nintendo's success. Seriously MS admits the success of a competitor and the failings of their product whereas Sony is steadfast in denial.
So how is 9 months "recently" or you don't remember the whole "Wii60 FTW". He has been going on about get a 360 and a Wii for a long time.



sieanr said: @ Diomedes, good ole Phil is Executive Vice President of SCEE. I would say the title isn't incorrect since his wording implies that he is one of several presidents, which is kinda true. Does anyone find it funny that Peter Moore recently said MS needs to take a page from Nintendo, whereas Sony just reiterates their company line and ignores Nintendo's success. Seriously MS admits the success of a competitor and the failings of their product whereas Sony is steadfast in denial. Now regarding the MSX, go learn a little more about it. MSX wasn't made by just Sony but many Japanese electronics corporations as it was a hardware standard created by Microsoft. Using your logic, we could claim that MS was in the game industry before Sony. And MSX wasn't any more game centered than it's contemporary Commodore 64's or Atari Computers.... Long before Sony was making the MSX, Nintendo was producing arcade hardware. Not to mention the first MSX's were released at almost the same time as the Famicom. Goodbye.
Well Microsoft didnt made the hardware for the MSX .Microsoft ,if anything ,gave the first impulse asking the japanese developers to create a computer ,but then dissappeared from the project and didnt get involved at all in posterior years .The MSX was a computer very oriented to gaming ,more so than the C64 as many of its games were on cartridge and those cartridges had sound and custom chips to improve graphics for example .All the 8-bit computers (Atari XE-XL ,Amstrad CPC ,Spectrum ,MSX ,C64 ) received a ton of games per month so it is difficult to say wich was more game centered .In any case Sony has been in the hardware for computers and game consoles since as long as Nintendo . As for the XaviX it is clear Nintendo did closely copy that machine and stole its thunder because greater name and marketing and more economic resources .Ok ,I can accept that .But dont come a single more time saying the WIi is original and fresh ,the Wii right now is doing exactly what the XaviX has been doing for 2 years now . Phil Harrison is saying the rivals are doing great things and that Nintendo deserves a lot of praise yet you read he is spitting insults to Nintendo ......oh well fanboys ....