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Should Halo Infinite drop Xbox One and go Scarlet exclusive?

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Should it?

Yes, dump Xbone, next gen exclusive 19 35.19%
 
No, keep it cross gen with Xbone 35 64.81%
 
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ArchangelMadzz said:
Sogreblute said:

Mid Tier PC's blow the XBX out of the water. If someone considers themselves to be a gamer and game on PC regularly buying the newer games, their PC is better than a console's. That's pretty much a given. The XBX is literally considered an entry level gaming PC. It's equivalent to a dual core CPU and a GTX 1060, which is about $400 - $450. The PS5 and Xbox Scarlet I know will be equivalent to mid tier PCs.

And the vast majority of people that play games on steam etc have 'entry level' gaming PC's. 80% of steam users have quad core or lower. 

Only 15% of users have a 1070 or higher. Most have 1060, 1050 Ti and Raedon 5450 (10% have a 5450 and that's old as fuck). So yeah, being on PC means they might as well have the Xbox One version still. 

And where did you get this information? Also Steam isn't the only PC platform.



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Sogreblute said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

And the vast majority of people that play games on steam etc have 'entry level' gaming PC's. 80% of steam users have quad core or lower. 

Only 15% of users have a 1070 or higher. Most have 1060, 1050 Ti and Raedon 5450 (10% have a 5450 and that's old as fuck). So yeah, being on PC means they might as well have the Xbox One version still. 

And where did you get this information? Also Steam isn't the only PC platform.

No but steam has 90 million monthly active users. Which is the vast majority of PC gamers. And I doubt these numbers would be much different elsewhere.

I got these numbers from steam themselves from their hardware and software survery that they do of their users machines. 

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

(Also correction on the 5450 part of my comment I mistook that for the 'other' section. But the point still stands, The vast majority of users have a 1060 or lower)



I dont really see the point. I think we need to know more about Scarlett price, launch, and 1st year of titles to determine how important it would be to drop the X1 version.

I can see the understanding for thinking they should, it does give Scarlet a big punch out of the gates, but is that enough for the potential revenue loss from not having an X1 release? i dunno.



ArchangelMadzz said:
Sogreblute said:

And where did you get this information? Also Steam isn't the only PC platform.

No but steam has 90 million monthly active users. Which is the vast majority of PC gamers. And I doubt these numbers would be much different elsewhere.

I got these numbers from steam themselves from their hardware and software survery that they do of their users machines. 

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

(Also correction on the 5450 part of my comment I mistook that for the 'other' section. But the point still stands, The vast majority of users have a 1060 or lower)

So you got this information from a survey, an optional survey. Where not everyone will participate. Where people can lie about their specs. The Steam survey does not represent every user on Steam. The survey also doesn't differentiate a PC "user" and a PC "gamer". Some of the most popular games on Steam or PC in general are really easy to run, so people who only play those games have no reason to upgrade. However, if you have a PC to mainly game on then it's pretty much a given that your PC will be more powerful than a console. This Steam survey thing that people bring up to make consoles look better has been debunked so many times.



ArchangelMadzz said:

High end PC's are. But most people's PC's aren't much better than the XBX. If at all. 

But they also don't need to be... Most peoples PC's aren't sinking all their performance trying to chase 4k... Thus they can dial-up the visual settings at 1080P/1440P instead to have an overall better image than the Xbox One X despite having a weaker GPU in their PC's.
I would always choose Ultra settings at 1440P than Medium quality settings at 4k like most Xbox One X games.

In saying that...
I calculated that 32.54% of PC's on the Steam hardware statistics have superior GPU performance to the Xbox One X. - I only calculated nVidia GPU's, I didn't calculate PC's with multiple GPU's and I didn't calculate every GPU on the list... I got about half way which was enough to provide a rough idea.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
https://www.anandtech.com/bench/

Steam itself has 90~ million monthly active users.
https://www.pcgamer.com/au/steam-now-has-90-million-monthly-users/

Which using the power of percentages would equate to 29~ or more million monthly Steam users having a PC superior to the Xbox One X.
But like I said... It also doesn't matter, PC gamers get to choose to sacrifice some resolution to increase visual quality anyway even with specs that fall behind the Xbox One X.

How many Xbox One X consoles are on the market? A couple million? Yeah. There are more PC's with specs that surpass the Xbox One X.

Sogreblute said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

High end PC's are. But most people's PC's aren't much better than the XBX. If at all. 

Mid Tier PC's blow the XBX out of the water. If someone considers themselves to be a gamer and game on PC regularly buying the newer games, their PC is better than a console's. That's pretty much a given. The XBX is literally considered an entry level gaming PC. It's equivalent to a dual core CPU and a GTX 1060, which is about $400 - $450. The PS5 and Xbox Scarlet I know will be equivalent to mid tier PCs.

It helps that the PC has vastly superior DRAM counts, faster storage, faster CPU's... Which means that the experience on PC tends to be a bit different than console.

The main selling point of the Xbox One X is that it has a semi-decent mid-range GPU (Although more low-end of the spectrum now that Navi and Turing are rolling out.)
But the games are still Xbox One games, they just look a bit prettier... And still a step behind what the PC offers.

ArchangelMadzz said:

And the vast majority of people that play games on steam etc have 'entry level' gaming PC's. 80% of steam users have quad core or lower. 

Only 15% of users have a 1070 or higher. Most have 1060, 1050 Ti and Raedon 5450 (10% have a 5450 and that's old as fuck). So yeah, being on PC means they might as well have the Xbox One version still. 

A modern entry-level Quad-core CPU from Intel or AMD beats the absolute snot out of an 8-core Jaguar... Remember AMD's Jaguar was AMD's cheapest, slowest and nastiest CPU at a time when AMD's CPU's were cheap, slow and absolutely terrible, keep that in perspective. - Those 8-core Jaguars would offer less performance than a modern dual-core CPU. - Not to mention... Not all 8-cores of those Jaguar CPU's can be used for gaming anyway.

A Geforce 1060 can match the Xbox One X's GPU, but the kicker is... That GPU doesn't spend all it's resources chasing 3840x2160 resolutions, so it can output overall better visuals.

Steam hardware statistics aren't perfect either, there are many PC's with multiple-GPU's that aren't accounted for.

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I just don't understand what you guys still don't understand. Microsoft doesn't make much money by selling hardware. Most of the revenues comes from Subscription services and software sales. The future is in Cross platform, cross play and subscription model services. You will probably not see a true PS5 and Scarlet exclusive that doesn't get ported to the older hardware at the start of next generation. Since both Sony and Microsoft will probably offer cross platform meaning that if you buy on game on older hardware it will be available on the next gen hardware there is no reason to stop supporting older hardware for as long as you can.

There is also another major factor that most people don't consider when making these stupid thread. The adoption rate of 4k or better TV, to this day 720p and 1080p TV are still being sold in major retailers. When consumers are ask to either upgrade their older consoles or older TV. The TV upgrade should come first. If you are asking them to do both at the same time that becomes a much bigger financial burden. Xbox one X and PS4 Pro has proven that support for older tech is actually not that complicated.

Having said that, I pity anyone having to play Halo Infinite on a OG Xbox One. I have no doubt that it will work but I wouldn't be surprise if the game ran at 720p.



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I think they do have a dilemma since the have the X1, mid-generation X1X and also the Scarlett but I think it will likely just be a reduction in framerate, resolution and details the differ between the version so it will probably not take away anything from the Scarlett version.



Sogreblute said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

No but steam has 90 million monthly active users. Which is the vast majority of PC gamers. And I doubt these numbers would be much different elsewhere.

I got these numbers from steam themselves from their hardware and software survery that they do of their users machines. 

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

(Also correction on the 5450 part of my comment I mistook that for the 'other' section. But the point still stands, The vast majority of users have a 1060 or lower)

So you got this information from a survey, an optional survey. Where not everyone will participate. Where people can lie about their specs. The Steam survey does not represent every user on Steam. The survey also doesn't differentiate a PC "user" and a PC "gamer". Some of the most popular games on Steam or PC in general are really easy to run, so people who only play those games have no reason to upgrade. However, if you have a PC to mainly game on then it's pretty much a given that your PC will be more powerful than a console. This Steam survey thing that people bring up to make consoles look better has been debunked so many times.

No, you can't lie on the survey as the software analyses your PC.

It's optional but it has many people participating. If you're discounting studies because not 100% of people take part then I have real bad news about science for you.. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
Sogreblute said:

So you got this information from a survey, an optional survey. Where not everyone will participate. Where people can lie about their specs. The Steam survey does not represent every user on Steam. The survey also doesn't differentiate a PC "user" and a PC "gamer". Some of the most popular games on Steam or PC in general are really easy to run, so people who only play those games have no reason to upgrade. However, if you have a PC to mainly game on then it's pretty much a given that your PC will be more powerful than a console. This Steam survey thing that people bring up to make consoles look better has been debunked so many times.

No, you can't lie on the survey as the software analyses your PC.

It's optional but it has many people participating. If you're discounting studies because not 100% of people take part then I have real bad news about science for you.. 

Last bit, 100% correct.



I have two thoughts:

1) botw did it on Wii U and Switch, to much success for both systems and still enabling Switch to have one of the best hardware launches ever.

2) botw didn't really look much different on switch compared to Wii u because the hardware difference wasn't that much. Scarlett will make Xbox one look like a joke, right? So there will be a vast difference in power between the two Halo versions, unless they unintentionally don't make the engine look better to keep them on par with each other.

Either way I don't care as I'll either play it (and the others) on PC Xbox game pass one day or a new Xbox. I won't ever buy a Xbox one. No point for me.