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jason1637 said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/451916-marianne-williamson-campaign-uses-fundraising-email-to-help-rival-2020
Williamson's campaign is sending out fundraising emails to helping Mike Gravel make the July debates.

I really don't know what to say, other than that I don't see the downside to this. He'll never win, but America deserves to hear what he has to say. She of all people doing this would probably draw the most attention of the non-major candidates. People might actually be curious who this guy is that power of love lady is trying to help, and thus pay attention to him, which might boost his polls too, since he also needs to win more polls. Williamson earns my respect for this. I doubt she'll succeed though. Gravel is really struggling.



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the-pi-guy said:

Snoopy said:

Undocumented means you don't have the proper paperwork to live or do something here which is also another way of saying illegal. Also, VGChartz can ban me if I break their TOS. There are rules and you should follow them. As an Admin you of all people should know.

Ridiculous comparison.  If you're banned off VGC, you're fine. 

People don't die, trying to log into VGC.

People don't come to VGC, trying to avoid getting murdered.  

No one has lived in VGC for their entire childhood, only to get sent over to a country they have absolutely no memory of.  

For empathy's sake, what if you found out that you were an illegal immigrant.  Suppose your parents came over illegally when you were 3.  Would you find it fair, if you were deported right now?

Snoopy said:

Only a few Illegal immigrants pay income taxes, State taxes or property taxes. This is because illegal immigrants get paid under the table and they also do illegal activities like drug trafficking. This is why they can't pay federal taxes for example. Furthermore, many illegal immigrants can't even speak English, what makes you think they know how to do taxes lol.

About half of all illegals pay income taxes.  

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes

>they also do illegal activities like drug trafficking

Factually, illegal immigrants commit less crime than citizens.  Although more crime than legal immigrants.  

> Furthermore, many illegal immigrants can't even speak English, what makes you think they know how to do taxes

The crazy thing is, the IRS has a spanish website to help out questions.

https://www.irs.gov/es/spanish

Snoopy said:

You're right, that's why we need to build a wall and charge the country that sent them here a fine or else we keep putting sanctions on them.

Wall doesn't fix the problem.  Most illegal immigrants come over by other methods.  About 10% of all illegals come from Asia.  

>charge the country that sent them here a fine 

Countries aren't "sending" people.  That's completely ludicrous.  

Yes, I would be okay with the government deporting my parents if they broke the law. If my parents broke the law right now, for example, killed someone or didn't pay their taxes on purposes for years they need to be in jail. I will still love them but doesn't change the fact what they did was illegal.

If you cross the border illegally you already committed a serious crime. So illegal immigrants are already 100% criminals by default. So who is going to point them to the Spanish site when they didn't learn about America lifestyle and rules? Most of them probably don't even know where to begin. Also, VOX isn't a credible source. They have been debunked quite a bit already or spin numbers to their benefit.

Have you not been paying attention to the caravans we have lately?  A lot of the countries are encouraging illegal immigrants because for one they get a job here and send money back to their families in their home country. Not to mention we pick up the tab for all their citizens especially young children.

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Snoopy said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

You didn't understand the point it seems.

More people means more services are needed. Jobs like Hairdressers, cashiers, shopkeepers, and so on. And those won't get automated anytime soon.

Really, immigration pays for itself. What kills a country is not immigration, it's the opposite of it: Emigration, as it results in Brain drain.

Those jobs won't get automated soon? I guess you haven't been paying attention especially when you list cashiers. My local grocery store is using self-checkout completely with a couple of managers to keep watch. Even grocery stores might not be here soon because they will just deliver you the food with their self-driving car.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you better find a job in IT so you can stay on top of things.

Oh, we have self-checkout counters, too. Thing is that not everybody uses them and prefers going to the cashier, and the self-checkout counters still have some cashiers to help the people out when they have problems. In other words, while there will probably be a bit less cashiers, they just won't go away.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Snoopy said:

Those jobs won't get automated soon? I guess you haven't been paying attention especially when you list cashiers. My local grocery store is using self-checkout completely with a couple of managers to keep watch. Even grocery stores might not be here soon because they will just deliver you the food with their self-driving car.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you better find a job in IT so you can stay on top of things.

Oh, we have self-checkout counters, too. Thing is that not everybody uses them and prefers going to the cashier, and the self-checkout counters still have some cashiers to help the people out when they have problems. In other words, while there will probably be a bit less cashiers, they just won't go away.

It doesn't matter if it is a little inconvenient. If it saves the company money they will do it. They can also lower the price of their products because of automation which will actually make customers a lot happier than some cashier.



Sorry we are getting off topic.  

Take it here:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239694

@Snoopy 



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Snoopy said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Oh, we have self-checkout counters, too. Thing is that not everybody uses them and prefers going to the cashier, and the self-checkout counters still have some cashiers to help the people out when they have problems. In other words, while there will probably be a bit less cashiers, they just won't go away.

It doesn't matter if it is a little inconvenient. If it saves the company money they will do it. They can also lower the price of their products because of automation which will actually make customers a lot happier than some cashier.

I just explained you that it won't make them save much since they need cashiers to help the people on the self check-out counters, and that removing the cashier lanes would kill business for them. In other words, not much changes for the stores themselves financially speaking.

But all that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so I suggest we'll leave it at that.



@SpokenTruth might wanna make some room in the OP.



jason1637 said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/451916-marianne-williamson-campaign-uses-fundraising-email-to-help-rival-2020
Williamson's campaign is sending out fundraising emails to helping Mike Gravel make the July debates.

As already 21 people have qualified for the July-debates the tiebreaker rules are in effect. And because of that donors alone will not cut it. If he gets the needed donors (and he is close to that, I read 55K has he already) and additionally three polls with 1 percent though, he would be in the safe zone, as a lot of the other candidates who qualify via polls are a far cry from 65K unique donors (Hickenlooper is reported to have 13K).



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Mnementh said:
jason1637 said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/451916-marianne-williamson-campaign-uses-fundraising-email-to-help-rival-2020
Williamson's campaign is sending out fundraising emails to helping Mike Gravel make the July debates.

As already 21 people have qualified for the July-debates the tiebreaker rules are in effect. And because of that donors alone will not cut it. If he gets the needed donors (and he is close to that, I read 55K has he already) and additionally three polls with 1 percent though, he would be in the safe zone, as a lot of the other candidates who qualify via polls are a far cry from 65K unique donors (Hickenlooper is reported to have 13K).

Would be great if he could do it, I'm sure he would do a great job in the debates.



jason1637 said:
@SpokenTruth might wanna make some room in the OP.

OK, this starts to get ridiculous. Steve Bullock hurt himself by running thta late already. As we can see he has no problem getting more qualifying polls than Swalwell. Had he announced earlier, he would've made the first debate and given himself much needed exposure. But Sestak and now Steyer? What do they think by coming in the race so late?



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