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Mark Zuckerberg apparently is not too happy about Elizabeth Warrens plan to break up big tech companies (I know, shocker):
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/1/20892354/mark-zuckerberg-full-transcript-leaked-facebook-meetings

Yet Elizabeth Warren is unfazed:



Here is a screenshot of the deleted tweet Warrens answers:



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Mnementh said:
Mark Zuckerberg apparently is not too happy about Elizabeth Warrens plan to break up big tech companies (I know, shocker):
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/1/20892354/mark-zuckerberg-full-transcript-leaked-facebook-meetings

Yet Elizabeth Warren is unfazed:

*snickers*

Aaawwww, might have to give up Instagram and WhatsApp! What is the world coming to?

That's one of those things that endears me all the more to Elizabeth Warren! Kind of like that commentary by Wall Street insiders about her on CNBC not long ago that she turned into an online campaign ad of sorts. This class of people has no self-awareness whatsoever. They seem to have no idea just how unpopular they are. Lots of people view these corporate anti-endorsements as positives for Liz Warren, myself included. They reinforce her image as an economic populist.

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tsogud said:

So you are a democratic socialist, nice! And yeah I see now why you'd vote for Warren. My political identities are basically the same things as you but my feminism is intersectional not radical. On Israel I'm more in line with AOC and the squad. I believe we need to be clear on where we stand on the human rights violations the Israeli government commits to the Palestinians. I'm Jewish so it pains me to see how their government is behaving and I really do want to see Israel flourish but not at the expense of others, we need to set our boundaries of how far we're willing to enable their government.

Don't let the haters get you down, I've always thought of you as a progressive and from what you've told me it does sound like you are one. But I guess you could go with something generic like "economic populist" though basically all progressives are populists but idk honestly. Regardless don't change how you identify based on others reactions toward you and how they make you feel "not in the club," they're just judgemental purists. Change your political identity because of yourself.

I agree with AOC the most probably like 85-90% of the time, Bernie about 85%, Liz about 70-75%, Biden about 20-30%, 45 and vp 0% of the time.

morenoingrato said:
I generally have a positive view of Israel, but I can't stand Netanyahu. Partisan, toxic, and borderline far-right. His disrespect and contempt towards Obama was disgraceful. How does a foreign leader come to the US to speak in opposition to the head of state? How can he complain about the no-strings-attached US aid?
American friendship with Israel must continue, but unless Netanyahu is out or does a 180 in his undiplomatic conduct, he should expect a cold shoulder.

Considering the sheer range of self-contradicting positions that emanates from the White House in a given week, is it actually possible to disagree with Trump 100% of the time?

It's very rare, but every so often I find myself incidentally agreeing with Trump. For example, we were just discussing Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's threat to sue the U.S. government if Elizabeth Warren is elected president because she has pledged to break up major tech companies like his that engage in monopolistic business practices. The Trump White House, for its own reasons, is also investigating Facebook for potential violations of antitrust law. So there's one thing I can agree with.

Another of these rare examples goes back to the 2016 primary season. There was a point during that campaign wherein a bunch of Christian leaders held a high-profile event wherein the host pastor called for all of the non-heterosexual people in this country to be rounded up and executed. Participating in this event, and excitedly shaking hands with said pastor shortly after he had delivered this sermon, was none other than presidential candidate and Senator from my home state Ted Cruz. Now one is not guilty by association in my mind (are we not all realistically associated with homophobes, after all?), but...the overlap between those two things sent chills down my spine. That's an idea you should definitely rebuke in your own speech if that just happened right in front of you!

My mind contrasted that with Donald Trump's response to the Pulse night club shooting. I mean yeah you could say that he had his Muslim ban (he was still on the original, comprehensive version of which at the time) in mind, but still one had to notice the difference in attitudes toward gay and lesbian people. I've just never really gotten the feeling, in fact, that Trump personally has an issue with same-sex attraction as such the way the Christian conservatives (like Mike Pence!) do.

A month later, there was a moment at the Republican National Convention wherein the attendees applauded Pulse and Trump said something like "It's good to hear you clap for that". Something like that. Anyway, my point is that the fact that Trump wound up winning the nomination seemed to have the effect of making many Republicans a bit more accepting of gay and lesbian people. I think that's something of value anyway. That counts for something in my book.

There was also the First Step Act.

Yeah, that's really the best I can do when it comes to finding areas where I agree with Trump, but just saying that it is theoretically possible.

Concerning Israel, the good news is that it actually looks like Benjamin Netanyahoo, who will always be this guy in my mind...

(Now if only he could get his hands on a weather forecast.)

...will probably be unable to form a new government following last month's election. His party failed to win the most seats in this most recent election and Netanyahu himself is currently facing indictment for fraud and bribery in three corruption cases. His main rival, a liberal centrist, has stated that he has no intention of participating in any government headed up by someone facing criminal charges. So it's actually looking like there is (finally) an impending change in leadership.

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Holy shit Yang raised $10m in Q3 with about 300k donors.



Bernie is taking a break from the campaign due to blockage in his arteries. Hope he feels better soon.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/bernie-sanders-artery-blockage-2020/index.html



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News here is that Bernie Sanders has had a heart attack!



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Jaicee said:
tsogud said:

So you are a democratic socialist, nice! And yeah I see now why you'd vote for Warren. My political identities are basically the same things as you but my feminism is intersectional not radical. On Israel I'm more in line with AOC and the squad. I believe we need to be clear on where we stand on the human rights violations the Israeli government commits to the Palestinians. I'm Jewish so it pains me to see how their government is behaving and I really do want to see Israel flourish but not at the expense of others, we need to set our boundaries of how far we're willing to enable their government.

Don't let the haters get you down, I've always thought of you as a progressive and from what you've told me it does sound like you are one. But I guess you could go with something generic like "economic populist" though basically all progressives are populists but idk honestly. Regardless don't change how you identify based on others reactions toward you and how they make you feel "not in the club," they're just judgemental purists. Change your political identity because of yourself.

I agree with AOC the most probably like 85-90% of the time, Bernie about 85%, Liz about 70-75%, Biden about 20-30%, 45 and vp 0% of the time.

morenoingrato said:
I generally have a positive view of Israel, but I can't stand Netanyahu. Partisan, toxic, and borderline far-right. His disrespect and contempt towards Obama was disgraceful. How does a foreign leader come to the US to speak in opposition to the head of state? How can he complain about the no-strings-attached US aid?
American friendship with Israel must continue, but unless Netanyahu is out or does a 180 in his undiplomatic conduct, he should expect a cold shoulder.

Considering the sheer range of self-contradicting positions that emanates from the White House in a given week, is it actually possible to disagree with Trump 100% of the time?

It's very rare, but every so often I find myself incidentally agreeing with Trump. For example, we were just discussing Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's threat to sue the U.S. government if Elizabeth Warren is elected president because she has pledged to break up major tech companies like his that engage in monopolistic business practices. The Trump White House, for its own reasons, is also investigating Facebook for potential violations of antitrust law. So there's one thing I can agree with.

Another of these rare examples goes back to the 2016 primary season. There was a point during that campaign wherein a bunch of Christian leaders held a high-profile event wherein the host pastor called for all of the non-heterosexual people in this country to be rounded up and executed. Participating in this event, and excitedly shaking hands with said pastor shortly after he had delivered this sermon, was none other than presidential candidate and Senator from my home state Ted Cruz. Now one is not guilty by association in my mind (are we not all realistically associated with homophobes, after all?), but...the overlap between those two things sent chills down my spine. That's an idea you should definitely rebuke in your own speech if that just happened right in front of you!

My mind contrasted that with Donald Trump's response to the Pulse night club shooting. I mean yeah you could say that he had his Muslim ban (he was still on the original, comprehensive version of which at the time) in mind, but still one had to notice the difference in attitudes toward gay and lesbian people. I've just never really gotten the feeling, in fact, that Trump personally has an issue with same-sex attraction as such the way the Christian conservatives (like Mike Pence!) do.

A month later, there was a moment at the Republican National Convention wherein the attendees applauded Pulse and Trump said something like "It's good to hear you clap for that". Something like that. Anyway, my point is that the fact that Trump wound up winning the nomination seemed to have the effect of making many Republicans a bit more accepting of gay and lesbian people. I think that's something of value anyway. That counts for something in my book.

There was also the First Step Act.

Yeah, that's really the best I can do when it comes to finding areas where I agree with Trump, but just saying that it is theoretically possible.

Concerning Israel, the good news is that it actually looks like Benjamin Netanyahoo, who will always be this guy in my mind...

(Now if only he could get his hands on a weather forecast.)

...will probably be unable to form a new government following last month's election. His party failed to win the most seats in this most recent election and Netanyahu himself is currently facing indictment for fraud and bribery in three corruption cases. His main rival, a liberal centrist, has stated that he has no intention of participating in any government headed up by someone facing criminal charges. So it's actually looking like there is (finally) an impending change in leadership.

Yeah there could have been a few things here and there that I agree with 45, like not going to war with Iran despite being pressured to by his cabinet, so I guess it's prolly more like 5%, very very rare.

Idk how you could say you feel he's helped queer people like ourselves. His administration and him have been aggressively anti-LGBT specifically anti-trans and have been trying to roll back our rights from day one. Here's a list of the things his administration and he has done against LGBT individuals since he took office.



 

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Jumpin said:
News here is that Bernie Sanders has had a heart attack!
Here's some fast facts for you and anyone else under this wrong impression:
  • Senator Bernie Sanders did not have a heart attack. He had a stent inserted after a blockage was found.

  • A stent is a wire metal mesh tube used to prop open an artery during angioplasty – a procedure where a cardiologist re-opens a blocked artery to restore blood flow to the heart.

  • Stents are common. Approximately 1 million Americans have a stent inserted each year.

  • Stent insertion is not a major surgery. About 75% of stents are inserted through the wrist as of 2019.

  • Bernie will likely be back on the campaign trail within a week.

  • Bernie got as far as he did this year with a heart blockage, and he's been all over the place. Imagine him without that blockage.
  • The average age a person gets their first stent is 59, Bernie made it two decades past the average without needing one.


HylianSwordsman said:
Jumpin said:
News here is that Bernie Sanders has had a heart attack!
Here's some fast facts for you and anyone else under this wrong impression:
  • Senator Bernie Sanders did not have a heart attack. He had a stent inserted after a blockage was found.

  • A stent is a wire metal mesh tube used to prop open an artery during angioplasty – a procedure where a cardiologist re-opens a blocked artery to restore blood flow to the heart.

  • Stents are common. Approximately 1 million Americans have a stent inserted each year.

  • Stent insertion is not a major surgery. About 75% of stents are inserted through the wrist as of 2019.

  • Bernie will likely be back on the campaign trail within a week.

  • Bernie got as far as he did this year with a heart blockage, and he's been all over the place. Imagine him without that blockage.
  • The average age a person gets their first stent is 59, Bernie made it two decades past the average without needing one.

Thank you for this post. On another note tho, I honestly feel like he's been doing too much, like campaigning practically everyday and doing 3-4 events per day. I've been worrying for a while now.



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