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JRPGfan said:

The early trailers (with gameplay) they showed for the game, cant remember it was at E3 or not,
featured vastly better graphic than what it shipped with.

Thats kinda the topic of the thread.  Go back and find some of the early trailers for it, you ll see it.

 

 

Its just ironic that Sony is the one that repeatly gets called out for it, when its not even true (spiderman, god of war).
While when MS does with Sea of Theives + State of Decay, nothing....

In cases like this, you need to let the reviews do the talking. SoD2 was vastly criticised for its bugs. SoTs you are referring to a very old build of a game. Majority of games never look as good as there 1st trailers. 

Anyone expecting a game to look as good as the trailers are living on high hopes.

Also SoD2 never had any huge downgrades, in fact i cannot find anything major. 

Keep in mind that both games are released on PC so some examples can be watching someone play on Ultra and someone play on Medium settings.

They all do it, especially Sony. Both audiences on each side also complain about the others. Theres no single side to righteous.

No offence but any Twitter or comment who refers to an audience as Xtards i wont be taking seriously. 

Last edited by Azzanation - on 11 September 2018

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Azzanation said:
JRPGfan said:

The early trailers (with gameplay) they showed for the game, cant remember it was at E3 or not,
featured vastly better graphic than what it shipped with.

Thats kinda the topic of the thread.  Go back and find some of the early trailers for it, you ll see it.

 

 

Its just ironic that Sony is the one that repeatly gets called out for it, when its not even true (spiderman, god of war).
While when MS does with Sea of Theives + State of Decay, nothing....

In cases like this, you need to let the reviews do the talking. SoD2 was vastly criticised for its bugs. SoTs you are referring to a very old build of a game. Majority of games never look as good as there 1st trailers. 

Anyone expecting a game to look as good as the trailers are living on high hopes.

Also SoD2 never had any huge downgrades, in fact i cannot find anything major. 

Keep in mind that both games are released on PC so some examples can be watching someone play on Ultra and someone play on Medium settings.

They all do it, especially Sony. Both audiences on each side also complain about the others. Theres no single side to righteous.

No offence but any Twitter or comment who refers to an audience as Xtards i wont be taking seriously. 

I don't think I've ever seen downgrades on the level of Sea of Thieves and SoD2. Also lets keep in mind that these games had last gen looking graphics to start with there's no reason why they shouldn't have been able to retain that already low standard they set for themselves. I mean how incompetent can they get?

Sony games this generation have only been upgraded from their stage demos. 



This topic is only really relevant to the people who play the graphics game.

I myself am more for performance over pretty. So it doesn't do much for me. Plus if the gameplay is solid, the graphics don't concern me. That is exactly why I can play retro games, even the ones that people consider not aged well from the PS1, N64 era.



The_Liquid_Laser said:

You are misinterpreting what I meant. 

I am saying that graphics is one of the main selling points of a Sony game.  It is what they advertise.  When they advertise they they have great graphics, then that is one way they distinguish themselves from Nintendo.  

So since graphics are more of a selling point for Sony, then they invite criticism when their graphics appear better in a trailer than at home.  Nintendo can do the same thing and people don't care as much, since graphics is not really what they advertise.

This is authentically what I meant.  You seemed to be have been upset over something that I wasn't trying to say in the first place.  I hope this clears things up.

I actually agree with you here. Not many people will however due to it sounds alittle offensive but what is said is not a stab. Sony this Gen seems to have a set focus for visusls compared to Nintendo and Xbox. 

Lets look at some examples

Killzone SF vs Halo 5 - Complete Rivals, One focuses soley on Campaign Visuals focusing on 30Frames while the other focuses on 60Frames and also a heavy focus on the MP.

Infamous SS vs Sunset Overdrive - Well two open world games and Sonys Game went for visuals.

Drive Club vs Horizon 2 - Both Racers come out the same year. I think these Two Comparisons speaks for themselves.

GTS vs FM7 - Another game Sony released with the focus on Graphics first over content.

Horizon vs Zelda BOTW - In comparison we know which game focused on the gameplay more over visuals

Days Gone vs SOD2 - No one knows how filled with content Days Gone has but again another game where its focus is in the visual story telling.

Knack vs Ori - Again another Game from Sony focusing heavily on Visusls over Xboxes platformer.

Uncharted 4 vs Gears 4 - Both games aimed for visusls however Gears has more of a focus on MP and another Game from Sony with a Dedicated focus on the visusl story telling.

The list above is not a comparison on which games are better, that all comes down to personal taste but its an indication on the focal points between Brands.

MS has a heavy Focus in the MP aspects of there Games.

Sony has a heavy Focus on Visual story telling games.

Nintendo always have a heavy focus on Gameplay with there Games.

Than you have other games like Ori, SOTs, Cuphead for Xbox and Sony has GOW, Detriot Become Human, Until Dawn etc

BoseDK said:

I don't think I've ever seen downgrades on the level of Sea of Thieves and SoD2. Also lets keep in mind that these games had last gen looking graphics to start with there's no reason why they shouldn't have been able to retain that already low standard they set for themselves. I mean how incompetent can they get?

Sony games this generation have only been upgraded from their stage demos. 

Ummm right.. you lost me at these are the worst downgrades you have ever seen.

I loled.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 12 September 2018

BoseDK said:

I don't think I've ever seen downgrades on the level of Sea of Thieves and SoD2. Also lets keep in mind that these games had last gen looking graphics to start with there's no reason why they shouldn't have been able to retain that already low standard they set for themselves. I mean how incompetent can they get?

Sony games this generation have only been upgraded from their stage demos. 

No one is going to take you seriously or want to have an actual discussion with you if all you do is trash the competition and show as much bias as you have. I recommend being a little more level-headed.  



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Azzanation said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

You are misinterpreting what I meant. 

I am saying that graphics is one of the main selling points of a Sony game.  It is what they advertise.  When they advertise they they have great graphics, then that is one way they distinguish themselves from Nintendo.  

So since graphics are more of a selling point for Sony, then they invite criticism when their graphics appear better in a trailer than at home.  Nintendo can do the same thing and people don't care as much, since graphics is not really what they advertise.

This is authentically what I meant.  You seemed to be have been upset over something that I wasn't trying to say in the first place.  I hope this clears things up.

I actually agree with you here. Not many people will however due to it sounds alittle offensive but what is said is not a stab. Sony this Gen seems to have a set focus for visusls compared to Nintendo and Xbox. 

Lets look at some examples

Killzone SF vs Halo 5 - Complete Rivals, One focuses soley on Campaign Visuals focusing on 30Frames while the other focuses on 60Frames and also a heavy focus on the MP.

Infamous SS vs Sunset Overdrive - Well two open world games and Sonys Game went for visuals.

Drive Club vs Horizon 2 - Both Racers come out the same year. I think these Two Comparisons speaks for themselves.

GTS vs FM7 - Another game Sony released with the focus on Graphics first over content.

Horizon vs Zelda BOTW - In comparison we know which game focused on the gameplay more over visuals

Days Gone vs SOD2 - No one knows how filled with content Days Gone has but again another game where its focus is in the visual story telling.

Knack vs Ori - Again another Game from Sony focusing heavily on Visusls over Xboxes platformer.

Uncharted 4 vs Gears 4 - Both games aimed for visusls however Gears has more of a focus on MP and another Game from Sony with a Dedicated focus on the visusl story telling.

The list above is not a comparison on which games are better, that all comes down to personal taste but its an indication on the focal points between Brands.

MS has a heavy Focus in the MP aspects of there Games.

Sony has a heavy Focus on Visual story telling games.

Nintendo always have a heavy focus on Gameplay with there Games.

Than you have other games like Ori, SOTs, Cuphead for Xbox and Sony has GOW, Detriot Become Human, etc

 

Yep, you got it. 

Each company has a different focus and people know it.  Each company also has to live up to their customer's expectations.  If Nintendo released a Mario game where Mario ripped Bowser's head off of his body and then had a graphic sex scene with Peach, then people would be furious.  Then defenders would say, "It's not fair that Kratos can get away with this and Mario can't".  People have different expectations for Mario and Kratos.  But people have different expectations for Nintendo and Sony in general.  Each company is responsible for living up to those expectations.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 12 September 2018

The_Liquid_Laser said:
BoseDK said:

Graphics matter=/=selling point.

If graphics could sell games then The Order 1886 would've been huge. 

 

GOWTLOZ said:

Well to that I have to say

this.

I don't think you guys know what a "selling point" is.  Having a convertible top on your car is a selling point.  No one buys a car for a convertible top alone.  That is just stupid.

No your analogy is more akin to a car having chrome paint. It looks shinier sure but its easily replaceable by the same car in red. Graphics are a selling point for nobody.



PwerlvlAmy said:
I think a lot of the reasons Sony gets more flack than others is because the fan base of Sony defends Sony to the point where they don't think Sony does anything wrong,ever.

What an odd thing to hear from a moderator.

It's also quite ironic considering the amount af flack Sony got from Nintendo fans (including you) when they announced PS4 ports of TLOU, Uncharted 1-3, and GOW 3. But a lot of the same Nintendo fans (including you) don't bat an eye when port after port are announced for Switch and 3DS.

Ports/remakes on Nintendo Switch:
Bayonetta 2 (Wii U)
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Wii U)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Wii U)
Hyrule Warriors (Wii U)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Wii U)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Wii U)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (Wii U)
Pokkén Tournament DX (Wii U)

Ports/remakes on Nintendo 3DS:
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Wii U)
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D (Wii)
Hyrule Warriors Legends (Wii U)
Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn (Wii)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D (N64)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (N64)
Luigi's Mansion (GameCube)
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey (DS)
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions (Game Boy Advance)
Mario Party: The Top 100 (various)
Metroid: Samus Returns (Game Boy)
Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World (Wii U)
Star Fox 64 3D (N64)
Super Mario Maker (Wii U)Xenoblade Chronicles 3D (Wii)



Replicant said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
I think a lot of the reasons Sony gets more flack than others is because the fan base of Sony defends Sony to the point where they don't think Sony does anything wrong,ever.

What an odd thing to hear from a moderator.

It's also quite ironic considering the amount af flack Sony got from Nintendo fans (including you) when they announced PS4 ports of TLOU, Uncharted 1-3, and GOW 3. But a lot of the same Nintendo fans (including you) don't bat an eye when port after port are announced for Switch and 3DS.

Ports/remakes on Nintendo Switch:
Bayonetta 2 (Wii U)
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Wii U)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Wii U)
Hyrule Warriors (Wii U)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Wii U)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Wii U)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (Wii U)
Pokkén Tournament DX (Wii U)

Ports/remakes on Nintendo 3DS:
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Wii U)
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D (Wii)
Hyrule Warriors Legends (Wii U)
Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn (Wii)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D (N64)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (N64)
Luigi's Mansion (GameCube)
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey (DS)
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions (Game Boy Advance)
Mario Party: The Top 100 (various)
Metroid: Samus Returns (Game Boy)
Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World (Wii U)
Star Fox 64 3D (N64)
Super Mario Maker (Wii U)Xenoblade Chronicles 3D (Wii)

Not an odd thing at all. Just stating what I see time and time again. Nothing more and nothing less. Same as your post you just made. 



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Replicant said:

What an odd thing to hear from a moderator.

It's also quite ironic considering the amount af flack Sony got from Nintendo fans (including you) when they announced PS4 ports of TLOU, Uncharted 1-3, and GOW 3. But a lot of the same Nintendo fans (including you) don't bat an eye when port after port are announced for Switch and 3DS.

Ports/remakes on Nintendo Switch:
Bayonetta 2 (Wii U)
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Wii U)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Wii U)
Hyrule Warriors (Wii U)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Wii U)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Wii U)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (Wii U)
Pokkén Tournament DX (Wii U)

Ports/remakes on Nintendo 3DS:
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Wii U)
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D (Wii)
Hyrule Warriors Legends (Wii U)
Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn (Wii)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D (N64)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (N64)
Luigi's Mansion (GameCube)
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey (DS)
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions (Game Boy Advance)
Mario Party: The Top 100 (various)
Metroid: Samus Returns (Game Boy)
Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World (Wii U)
Star Fox 64 3D (N64)
Super Mario Maker (Wii U)Xenoblade Chronicles 3D (Wii)

Not an odd thing at all. Just stating what I see time and time again. Nothing more and nothing less. Same as your post you just made. 

The level of hypocrisy is well above 9000.

Last edited by Replicant - on 14 September 2018