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BoseDK said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:


Really?  Graphics don't help sell games at all?  Why do people want more powerful hardware if the graphics don't matter?

I personally think all of this nitpicking about graphics is stupid, but even I think graphics matter to some extent.

Graphics matter=/=selling point.

If graphics could sell games then The Order 1886 would've been huge. 

 

GOWTLOZ said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:


Really?  Graphics don't help sell games at all?  Why do people want more powerful hardware if the graphics don't matter?

I personally think all of this nitpicking about graphics is stupid, but even I think graphics matter to some extent.

Well to that I have to say

BoseDK said:

Graphics matter=/=selling point.

If graphics could sell games then The Order 1886 would've been huge. 

this.

I don't think you guys know what a "selling point" is.  Having a convertible top on your car is a selling point.  No one buys a car for a convertible top alone.  That is just stupid.



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The people attacking Sony for downgrades number in the dozens, worldwide. There is no actual problem.



Zones said:
It's an act of pure desperation.

Basically the anti-Sony camp desperately clings into the slightest bit of potential Sony misfire and they make it seem like this colossal 'concern' for Sony and PS4. We saw it with the lack of DLNA early on, then it was the lack of 4K Blu-ray drive on PS4 Pro, and now it's the consistent and annoying cross-play nonsense turned into this massive blown out issue.

All the while, the slightest change of the graphics in any of the Sony's high profile games lead to this ridiculous and downright baseless controversy.

This just shows how miserable and petty some people can be.

I still feel the whole cross-play pushing is just another gimmick to garner attention. Why would you make way for someone to move playing from one platform to another when they are trying to hard stay in the competition as rivals? What happened to the past history where Sony brought the idea and Microsoft turned down? It's sad Bethseda wants to prove their point with their next game. We will see.



GameAnalyser said:
Zones said:
It's an act of pure desperation.

Basically the anti-Sony camp desperately clings into the slightest bit of potential Sony misfire and they make it seem like this colossal 'concern' for Sony and PS4. We saw it with the lack of DLNA early on, then it was the lack of 4K Blu-ray drive on PS4 Pro, and now it's the consistent and annoying cross-play nonsense turned into this massive blown out issue.

All the while, the slightest change of the graphics in any of the Sony's high profile games lead to this ridiculous and downright baseless controversy.

This just shows how miserable and petty some people can be.

I still feel the whole cross-play pushing is just another gimmick to garner attention. Why would you make way for someone to move playing from one platform to another when they are trying to hard stay in the competition as rivals? What happened to the past history where Sony brought the idea and Microsoft turned down? It's sad Bethseda wants to prove their point with their next game. We will see.

Bethesda's full of shit. If they actually care about crossplay I'd like to see them put Fallout 76 on the line. Tell Sony no Fallout 76 on PS4 unless they allow crossplay. 

Putting a f2p mobile card game no one cares about on the line just screams empty posturing to get some cheap PR points and nothing more.



PwerlvlAmy said:
I think a lot of the reasons Sony gets more flack than others is because the fan base of Sony defends Sony to the point where they don't think Sony does anything wrong,ever. But the fact at the end of the day is that all companies downgrade their games, Nintendo,Microsoft,Sony,third parties(im looking at you Ubisoft). It's common place for this. So its wrong for Sony to only be targeted for this and that isn't really fair. But it is what it is, best to just ignore all the noise and just enjoy the games were given.

I think you switched the fanbase you are talking about there, that's definitely not Sony's, lol.

OT: Sony does the most impressive games out there, graphically since last gen too, so that's really just a massive nonsense, saying Uncharted 4 animations are wonky when it was the industry's top and God of War was downgraded when it was actually graphically improved by a good margin since its announcement and was also the industry's top is just like saying the color blue is red because I said it is.



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Honestly, I've never been upset at the prospect of a graphical downgrade. Why? I'm an artist. I take commissions and write short stories for a living and I know first hand that sometimes you have to make sacrifices to meet deadlines or to work within the constraints of your employer.

If Ubisoft wants to make the graphics on Watch_Dogs as pretty as they were in the reveal trailer but the PS4/Xbone can't render it that well while also programming the rest of the world, sacrifices must be made. They may be able to make the graphics that pretty but don't have the time/resources/understanding to make it work on limited hardware within the time constraints.

Compromise is the key in an artistic medium, and videogames are no different. I mean, look at Superman's Upper Lip (tm) in justice League. If you think we don't have the technology to make good lip animations, you are wrong. However, the reshoots and the limited time meant that they couldn't do it justice. Throw all the money in the world at it, there was no way they could do that without pushing the release date back and we all know how grumpy fans and investors can be if a release date is pushed back.

Hoo boy, do you NOT want to push back a release date.

So if it becomes clear that a game isn't going to be as good as planned by release date, it's a no-win scenario. It's either sacrifice where you can and get it out on time and suffer the wrath of fans whining about graphical downgrades or delay it and face the backlash of fans whining about the game being delayed.

I think it was Shigeru Miyamoto who said "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."



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Runa216 said:
Honestly, I've never been upset at the prospect of a graphical downgrade. Why? I'm an artist. I take commissions and write short stories for a living and I know first hand that sometimes you have to make sacrifices to meet deadlines or to work within the constraints of your employer.

If Ubisoft wants to make the graphics on Watch_Dogs as pretty as they were in the reveal trailer but the PS4/Xbone can't render it that well while also programming the rest of the world, sacrifices must be made. They may be able to make the graphics that pretty but don't have the time/resources/understanding to make it work on limited hardware within the time constraints.

Compromise is the key in an artistic medium, and videogames are no different. I mean, look at Superman's Upper Lip (tm) in justice League. If you think we don't have the technology to make good lip animations, you are wrong. However, the reshoots and the limited time meant that they couldn't do it justice. Throw all the money in the world at it, there was no way they could do that without pushing the release date back and we all know how grumpy fans and investors can be if a release date is pushed back.

Hoo boy, do you NOT want to push back a release date.

So if it becomes clear that a game isn't going to be as good as planned by release date, it's a no-win scenario. It's either sacrifice where you can and get it out on time and suffer the wrath of fans whining about graphical downgrades or delay it and face the backlash of fans whining about the game being delayed.

I think it was Shigeru Miyamoto who said "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."

A terrible quote, there's tons of games that got delayed and still suck, and tons that never got delayed and are great.



JRPGfan said:

The early trailers (with gameplay) they showed for the game, cant remember it was at E3 or not,
featured vastly better graphic than what it shipped with.

Thats kinda the topic of the thread.  Go back and find some of the early trailers for it, you ll see it.

 

 

Its just ironic that Sony is the one that repeatly gets called out for it, when its not even true (spiderman, god of war).
While when MS does with Sea of Theives + State of Decay, nothing....

In cases like this, you need to let the reviews do the talking. SoD2 was vastly criticised for its bugs. SoTs you are referring to a very old build of a game. Majority of games never look as good as there 1st trailers. 

Anyone expecting a game to look as good as the trailers are living on high hopes.

Also SoD2 never had any huge downgrades, in fact i cannot find anything major. 

Keep in mind that both games are released on PC so some examples can be watching someone play on Ultra and someone play on Medium settings.

They all do it, especially Sony. Both audiences on each side also complain about the others. Theres no single side to righteous.

No offence but any Twitter or comment who refers to an audience as Xtards i wont be taking seriously. 

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Azzanation said:
JRPGfan said:

The early trailers (with gameplay) they showed for the game, cant remember it was at E3 or not,
featured vastly better graphic than what it shipped with.

Thats kinda the topic of the thread.  Go back and find some of the early trailers for it, you ll see it.

 

 

Its just ironic that Sony is the one that repeatly gets called out for it, when its not even true (spiderman, god of war).
While when MS does with Sea of Theives + State of Decay, nothing....

In cases like this, you need to let the reviews do the talking. SoD2 was vastly criticised for its bugs. SoTs you are referring to a very old build of a game. Majority of games never look as good as there 1st trailers. 

Anyone expecting a game to look as good as the trailers are living on high hopes.

Also SoD2 never had any huge downgrades, in fact i cannot find anything major. 

Keep in mind that both games are released on PC so some examples can be watching someone play on Ultra and someone play on Medium settings.

They all do it, especially Sony. Both audiences on each side also complain about the others. Theres no single side to righteous.

No offence but any Twitter or comment who refers to an audience as Xtards i wont be taking seriously. 

I don't think I've ever seen downgrades on the level of Sea of Thieves and SoD2. Also lets keep in mind that these games had last gen looking graphics to start with there's no reason why they shouldn't have been able to retain that already low standard they set for themselves. I mean how incompetent can they get?

Sony games this generation have only been upgraded from their stage demos. 



This topic is only really relevant to the people who play the graphics game.

I myself am more for performance over pretty. So it doesn't do much for me. Plus if the gameplay is solid, the graphics don't concern me. That is exactly why I can play retro games, even the ones that people consider not aged well from the PS1, N64 era.



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